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2015 Arkle Trophy Chase

MrMcGoldrick said:
On the morning line yesterday somebody emailed a question to A P and Ruby asking which of the other ones festival rides would they pinch if they could and without hesitation A P said Un De Sceaux in the Arkle, so he's obviously a much better horse in the eyes of the champ than I give him credit for. If he gets to the Arkle I'd like to see him do what so many people think he can, but I still have my doubts, time will tell I suppose. I'd still prefer to see Vautour in the race, looking unlikely now though, as others on here have said, JLT much more likely, unless he flops today, then he may be reverted to hurdles, wouldn't that put the cat amongst the pigeons.
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Funny enough I think AP has the Arkle winner in Gilgamboa ! He has neem known to pick the wrong un !
 
Wonder if Vautour better when ridden from front ?

Would be another reason to keep him apart from UDS. They could cut one another's throats.
 
Yeehaa said:
Funny enough I think AP has the Arkle winner in Gilgamboa ! He has neem known to pick the wrong un !
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I thought Gilgamboa was another more likely to go for the JLT, flipping minefield the ante-post markets at the mo
 
Old Vic said:
Wonder if Vautour better when ridden from front ?

Would be another reason to keep him apart from UDS. They could cut one another's throats.
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I think Vautour is better from the front, along with better ground and a faster pace, he seems to jump better and straighter at speed.
 
Ruby said front running wasn't planned ...

Ruby Walsh said: "I expected Real Steel to make it but we had to change tactics at the start. It was an honest race and he jumped super, travelled super and won as he liked. If anything he was a bit cleverer at his fences than when I last rode him at Navan.

"I've always thought he was a stayer and I've always ridden him as one. We made it in the Supreme and we made it here today, I don't doubt he would get further.

"I've always loved him, he's a horse with a huge future."
 
will be a great race next sunday un de sceaux v clarcam v Gilgamboa.

I think the Mullins plans will become a lot clearer after this. Win this and un de sceaux heads to the arkle an even money shot. I hope he romps it.
 
KingSprinterSacre said:
will be a great race next sunday un de sceaux v clarcam v Gilgamboa.

I think the Mullins plans will become a lot clearer after this. Win this and un de sceaux heads to the arkle an even money shot. I hope he romps it.
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That will be best novice chase of the year if it comes off.
 
about to find out some more about UDS

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Un De Sceaux
Valseur Lido
Clarcam
Gilgamboa
Apache Stronghold

Sunday 2m1f, likely to be Soft ground. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UnrealRace?src=hash">#UnrealRace</a>

How do you price that up?</p>— Ed Quigley (@Longshot_Ted) <a href="https://twitter.com/Longshot_Ted/status/557524484178313217">January 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Old Vic said:
about to find out some more about UDS

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Un De Sceaux
Valseur Lido
Clarcam
Gilgamboa
Apache Stronghold

Sunday 2m1f, likely to be Soft ground. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UnrealRace?src=hash">#UnrealRace</a>

How do you price that up?</p>— Ed Quigley (@Longshot_Ted) <a href="https://twitter.com/Longshot_Ted/status/557524484178313217">January 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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According to Paddy Power it's

UDS 4/5
Gilgamboa 11/4
Clarcam 9/2
Apache Stronghold 10/1

No price for Valseur Lido
 
Rhinestone Cowboy said:
Id say Valseur Lido will be a no show ?

I am tempted by Gilgamboa there.
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Valseur Lido is 5/1 on Betfair
For me it's a case of watching brief or lay UDS [maybe in running], I just don't see what others seem to with this horse, perhaps he'll show why he's so highly thought of in this race
 
If there is a more exciting horse in training to watch other than UDS then I havent seen it.To see a horse go as fast from the start and to still be going as fast coming to the last in a 2m race is thrilling to watch.Apart from a blip when miles clear on debut this horse has done nothing wrong beating a 148 rated rival 12 lengths easily cud have been 20, nothing will see which way this horse goes, cant wait for sunday!
 
iainmcf said:
If there is a more exciting horse in training to watch other than UDS then I havent seen it.To see a horse go as fast from the start and to still be going as fast coming to the last in a 2m race is thrilling to watch.Apart from a blip when miles clear on debut this horse has done nothing wrong beating a 148 rated rival 12 lengths easily cud have been 20, nothing will see which way this horse goes, cant wait for sunday!
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Hi Iain
I admire your confidence and maybe you're right, should be a good race to watch if that proves to be the case. The rating provided for Smashing is, again, something that appears dubious, are they taking the run against UDS into account, or had he achieved that prior to that race, because I remember watching the race and before the off Gary O'Brien was talking about the opposition and stated that the nearest to UDS in the betting, which was Smashing, was rated 123 over hurdles, no mention of a chase rating. Anyway I shall watch with interest, I'm always keen to see true champions establish themselves.
 
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iainmcf said:
If there is a more exciting horse in training to watch other than UDS then I havent seen it.To see a horse go as fast from the start and to still be going as fast coming to the last in a 2m race is thrilling to watch.Apart from a blip when miles clear on debut this horse has done nothing wrong beating a 148 rated rival 12 lengths easily cud have been 20, nothing will see which way this horse goes, cant wait for sunday!
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Nothing like a good 2 mile chase. We should have two crackers in March.

Sunday's race only the aperitif !
 
iainmcf said:
If there is a more exciting horse in training to watch other than UDS then I havent seen it.To see a horse go as fast from the start and to still be going as fast coming to the last in a 2m race is thrilling to watch.Apart from a blip when miles clear on debut this horse has done nothing wrong beating a 148 rated rival 12 lengths easily cud have been 20, nothing will see which way this horse goes, cant wait for sunday!
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I can think of one !
 
@racingtrends negative on UDS


The Irish Arkle is a race framed around the effect it will have on the respective targets of Willie Mullins' novice chasers at the Festival. Un De Sceaux wins and then sticks to two miles and the Arkle proper; Vautour goes for the JLT, likely along with Valseur Lido; Don Poli remains an RSA horse. This approach has problems: one fall could move all the pieces and it assumes Mullins is the only show in town with the Irish novices which simply isn't true - only five of Willie's 33 Cheltenham winners were novice chasers.

I don't like Un De Sceaux here. Gemix is the only horse of note he has beaten and he is hard to rate in an Irish context. Also, why hasn't he run in a Grade 1? It's hard to put a positive spin on that. He faces good horses like Clarcam who has been revolutionised by a wind op but preference is for Gilgamboa. He wasn't as good as Un De Sceaux or Vautour over hurdles but looks improved for fences, no surprise given his trainer. He caught my eye at Christmas, jumping and travelling supremely, and is a bet at 3.75.
 
I see Smashing is running today at Gowran, in the write up it mentions him being a 145 rated hurdler, but no mention of a chase rating, could be interesting to see how he goes today, currently around 4/7, if he wins well it should be a boost for UDS fans.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cheltenham 2015 Arkle Entries

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Racing Post Arkle Chase entries with previous Festival form
Year Race Pos Jockey SP
Adriana Des Mottes (Willie Mullins IRE)
2014 JCB Triumph Hurdle BD Paul Townend 20/1

Blood Cotil (Willie Mullins IRE)
2013 Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle 6th David Casey 20/1

Cheltenian (Philip Hobbs)

2011
Weatherbys Champion Bumper
1st
Richard Johnson
14/1
2013
Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle
10th
Richard Johnson
25/1
2014
Vincent O'Brien County Handicap Hurdle
PU
Richard Johnson
5/1f

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Chris Pea Green (Gary Moore)
2013 JCB Triumph Hurdle 7th Jamie Moore 33/1

Clarcam (Gordon Elliott IRE)
2014 Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle F Bryan Cooper 16/1

Deep Trouble (Ben Case)
2014 Vincent O'Brien County Handicap Hurdle 7th Leighton Aspell 33/1

Dunraven Storm (Philip Hobbs)

2010
Weatherbys Champion Bumper
14th
Tom O'Brien
33/1
2011
Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle
PU
Richard Johnson
20/1
2014
Vincent O'Brien County Handicap Hurdle
14th
Tom O'Brien
33/1

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</tbody>

Gilgamboa (Enda Bolger IRE)
2014 Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle 13th A P McCoy 9/1

Grumeti (Alan King)

2012
JCB Triumph Hurdle
3rd
Richard Thornton
5/1f
2014
Stan James Champion Hurdle
8th
Wayne Hutchinson
66/1

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</tbody>

Josses Hill (Nicky Henderson)
2014 Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle 2nd Andrew Tinkler 14/1

Le Vent D’Antan (Liz Doyle IRE)
2013 Weatherbys Champion Bumper 7th Mr Mikey Fogarty 7/1jf

Melodic Rendezvous (Jeremy Scott)
2014 Stan James Champion Hurdle 7th Nick Scholfield 20/1

Ptit Zig (Paul Nicholls)

2013
Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle
3rd
Daryl Jacob
22/1
2014
Stan James Champion Hurdle
6th
Daryl Jacob
28/1

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</tbody>

Rule The World (Mouse Morris IRE)

2013
Neptune Investment Management Nov' H
2nd
Davy Russell
5/1
2014
Ladbrokes World Hurdle
6th
Brian O'Connell
14/1

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</tbody>

Sgt Reckless (Mick Channon)

2013
Weatherbys Champion Bumper
13th
Richard Hughes
8/1
2014
Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle
4th
Dominic Elsworth
33/1

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</tbody>

Smashing (Henry de Bromhead IRE)
2014 Coral Cup 4th Andrew Lynch 25/1

Solar Impulse (Paul Nicholls)
2014 Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle 7th Harry Derham 25/1


Ted Veale (Tony Martin IRE)

2013
Vincent O'Brien County Handicap Hurdle
1st
Bryan Cooper
10/1
2014
Racing Post Arkle Chase
F
Davy Russell
25/1

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</tbody>

Three Kingdoms (John Ferguson)

2013
Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle
17th
Joseph Akehurst
66/1
2014
Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle
12th
Denis O'Regan
33/1

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</tbody>

Un Ace (Kim Bailey)
2014 Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle 8th Aidan Coleman 40/1

Vautour (Willie Mullins IRE)
2014 Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle 1st Ruby Walsh 7/2jf
 
Record of trainers with entries in the Racing Post Arkle Chase (since 1994 plus any winners beforehand)
Year Pos Horse Jockey SP Kim Bailey (Un Ace)
No runners since 1994

Enda Bolger IRE (Gilgamboa)
No previous runners

Henry de Bromhead IRE (Sizing Granite, Smashing)
2010 1st Sizing Europe Andrew Lynch 6/1

Ben Case (Deep Trouble)
No previous runners

Mick Channon (Sgt Reckless)
No runners since 1994

Stuart Crawford IRE (Man With Van)
No previous runners

Liz Doyle IRE (Le Vent D’Antan)
No previous runners

Gordon Elliott IRE (Clarcam)
No previous runners

Brian Ellison (Yorkist)
No previous runners

John Ferguson (Three Kingdoms)
No previous runners

Tom George (God’s Own, Stellar Notion)

2009 5th Tartak Paddy Brennan 10/1
2013 6th Majala Paddy Brennan 33/1

Nicky Henderson (Josses Hill)

1991 1st Remittance Man Richard Dunwoody 85/40f
1993 1st Travado Jamie Osborne 5/1
1994 BD Thumbs Up Charlie Swan 6/1
1999 PU Makounji Mick Fitzgerald 9/2
2000 1st Tiutchev Mick Fitzgerald 8/1
2002 5th Fondmort Mick Fitzgerald 4/1
2003 3rd Isio Mick Fitzgerald 10/1
2004 8th Caracciola Mick Fitzgerald 15/2
2007 3rd Jack The Giant Mick Fitzgerald 14/1
2010 4th Mad Max Paul Carberry 25/1
2010 5th Riverside Theatre Barry Geraghty 7/1
2011 2nd Finian's Rainbow Barry Geraghty 7/2
2011 6th Giorgio Quercus Paddy Brennan 33/1
2012 1st Sprinter Sacre Barry Geraghty 8/11f
2013 1st Simonsig Barry Geraghty 8/15f
2014 6th Grandouet Barry Geraghty 9/1

Philip Hobbs (Bold Henry, Cheltenian, Dunraven Storm)

2005 8th Made In Japan Richard Johnson 16/1
2007 2nd Fair Along Richard Johnson 10/3f
2008 8th Ring The Boss Richard Johnson 10/1
2009 3rd Planet of Sound Richard Johnson 10/1
2011 1st Captain Chris Richard Johnson 6/1

2012 3rd Menorah Richard Johnson 10/1

Alan King (Grumeti, Turn Over Sivola)

2004 4th Jahash Robert Thornton 150/1
2005 UR Kadount Robert Thornton 20/1
2006 1st Voy Por Ustedes Robert Thornton 15/2
2007 1st My Way de Solzen Robert Thornton 7/2
2011 4th Medermit Robert Thornton 11/4f
2014 5th Valdez Robert Thornton 10/1

Richard Lee (Tom Gamble)
1996 3rd Super Coin P McLoughlin 66/1

Tony Martin IRE (Ted Veale)
2014 F Ted Veale Davy Russell 25/1

Noel Meade IRE (Apache Stronghold)

1994 5th Mubadir Paul Carberry 20/1
1998 2nd Hill Society Richard Dunwoody 8/1
1999 6th Cockney Lad Paul Carberry 25/1
1999 8th Advocat Norman Williamson 33/1
2000 F Frozen Groom Barry Geraghty 10/1
2005 11th Sir Oj Mick Fitzgerald 25/1
2005 4th Watson Lake Paul Carberry 17/2
2006 4th Wild Passion Paul Carberry 20/1
2011 3rd Realt Dubh Paul Carberry 17/2

Nick Mitchell (Dance Floor King)
No previous runners

Gary Moore (Chris Pea Green)
2009 11th Panjo Bere Jamie Moore 40/1

Mouse Morris IRE (Real Steel, Rule The World)

1999 5th His Song Shay Barry 4/1f
2005 7th War Of Attrition Conor O'Dwyer 11/4f
2013 2nd Baily Green David Casey 33/1

Willie Mullins IRE (Adriana Des Mottes, Blood Cotil, Florishwells D’Ete, Gitane Du Berlais, Jarry D’Honneur, Un De Sceaux, Upsie, Val De Ferbet, Vautour)
1999 10th Native-Darrig David Casey 16/1
2002 6th Assessed Ruby Walsh 25/1
2003 F Adamant Approach Paul Carberry 7/1
2006 6th Missed That Ruby Walsh 6/1
2008 7th Scotsirish Davy Condon 20/1
2009 14th Golden Silver Paul Townend 14/1
2010 11th Sports Line Ruby Walsh 17/2
2010 6th Quiscover Fontaine Paul Townend 22/1
2012 5th Blackstairmountain Paul Townend 20/1
2013 PU Arvika Ligeonniere Ruby Walsh 15/2
2014 2nd Champagne Fever Ruby Walsh 11/4jf

Paul Nicholls (Ptit Zig, Solar Impulse, Vibrato Valtat)

1996 UR Captain Khedive A P McCoy 20/1
1998 14th Lake Kariba Timmy Murphy 8/1
1999 1st Flagship Uberalles Joe Tizzard 11/1
2000 UR Fadalko Joe Tizzard 12/1
2002 3rd Armaturk Timmy Murphy 8/1
2002 8th Kadarann Joe Tizzard 16/1
2003 1st Azertyuiop Ruby Walsh 5/4f
2003 F Le Roi Miguel A P McCoy 11/1
2004 3rd Le Duc Joe Tizzard 25/1
2004 F Thisthatandtother Ruby Walsh 5/2f
2005 5th My Will Ruby Walsh 12/1
2006 10th Cerium Paddy Brennan 50/1


2007 8th Good Spirit Sam Thomas 20/1
2007 F Twist Magic Ruby Walsh 12/1
2008 3rd Noland Ruby Walsh 7/4f
2008 9th Marodima Sam Thomas 33/1
2009 8th I'msingingtheblues Christian Williams 9/1
2009 F Tatenen Ruby Walsh 4/1f
2010 12th Woolcombe Folly Nick Scholfield 25/1
2011 5th Ghizao Timmy Murphy 4/1
2012 4th Al Ferof Ruby Walsh 3/1
2014 4th Dodging Bullets Daryl Jacob 6/1

David Pipe (Sail By The Sea)

2007 6th Buena Vista Timmy Murphy 9/1
2011 7th Dan Breen Tom Scudamore 20/1
2013 3rd His Excellency Tom Scudamore 80/1
2014 1st Western Warhorse Tom Scudamore 33/1

Jeremy Scott (Melodic Rendezvous)
No previous runners

Michael Smith (Mister Springsprong)
No previous runners

Nigel Twiston-Davies (Little Jon)

1996 2nd Arctic Kinsman Carl Llewellyn 13/2
1996 F Pimberley Place Tom Jenks 100/1
1997 UR Guinda Carl Llewellyn 66/1
1998 6th Queen of Spades Carl Llewellyn 8/1
2008 5th Mahogany Blaze Paddy Brennan 10/1

Evan Williams (Court Minstrel)
2011 PU West With The Wind Paul Moloney 33/1

Venetia Williams (Cold March, Tango De Juilley)

2000 5th Bellator Richard Johnson 5/1
2005 14th Mambo des Mottes Alan O'Keeffe 100/1
2005 PU Limerick Boy (GER) Sam Thomas 20/1
2014 7th Brick Red Aidan Coleman 66/1
 
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