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2015 Arkle Trophy Chase

Old Vic said:
Something in the back of my head says ignore all Willie and Ricci say and look at what they do.

Vautour went over min trip and Faugheen the intermediate last time. UDS stayed at home.

Are there soft ground chases for UDS in France ?
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last time at Cheltenham that was. Because at Punchestown they switched. UDS has to go to Cheltenham this time.
 
Vautour may go JLT but they have Pont Alexandre aswell who could drop in there or the RSA, lots to contemplate for the yard but think UDS owners won't be afraid of taking on Vautour as the best horse will win on the day, can't keep tryin to keep them apart IMO this season as there are to many horses to fit in to the picture, either one misses out or they go against each other
 
Josses Hill not likely to be out until after Xmas.
 
Did they say what the problem is with JH? It's less than ideal to be starting a novice campaign after the new year.
 
UDS entered at weekend.
 
What's the deal with UDS, he's beaten nothing of note over hurdles apart from Gemix getting weigh, that one couldn't live with the top horses in English group races. Now he's had one run over fences, failed to finish and retains his position as second fav for the Arkle. Many think Vautour will go for the JLT and uds will be their main Arkle contender, I just don't see it. Vautour is likely to be one of the highest rated horses in training and they are going to aim at the 2m 5f festival races, so next year will be the Ryanair. I think Richie will realise that the Champion chase is the right target, so the Arkle has to be the one at this seasons festival, if Sprintre and Sire de Grugy are out for the season they may even go for it this time.
 
MrMcGoldrick said:
What's the deal with UDS, he's beaten nothing of note over hurdles apart from Gemix getting weigh, that one couldn't live with the top horses in English group races. Now he's had one run over fences, failed to finish and retains his position as second fav for the Arkle. Many think Vautour will go for the JLT and uds will be their main Arkle contender, I just don't see it. Vautour is likely to be one of the highest rated horses in training and they are going to aim at the 2m 5f festival races, so next year will be the Ryanair. I think Richie will realise that the Champion chase is the right target, so the Arkle has to be the one at this seasons festival, if Sprintre and Sire de Grugy are out for the season they may even go for it this time.
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Welcome MrMcGoldrick.

( Almost) Impossible to work Mullins targets for his team. I think a few are reading a bit into the way paddy power have priced up Arkle and JLT - Ruby blogs there and they were shortest UDS in Arkle and Vautour in JLT. To be fair I think Gemix is probably a different animal in France than the form he showed here. He could run both ?
 
Hi Old Vic, I take your point about gemix in France, but i still don't see where the publics confidence in uds comes from. The run last week was looked at as not much more than a race course gallop, but on the day I laid him on Betfair at 1/5, I thought that was too good to miss, given my view on this horse being overhyped. I have to admit that I thought I may have done my dosh when he went clear, the other jockeys seemingly asleep at the start, but I had it in mind that if he employed the same tactics over fences as hurdles, which was galloping his rivals into the ground, then his jumping would come under pressure as he tired, which seems to be exactly what happened. It will be interesting to see what happens once he has a couple of runs under his belt, but if they he faces Vautour at Cheltenham, and the season has gone to plan for that one, I couldn't see uds getting him off the bridle. I would say the same would apply if they revert to hurdling with him for an attempt at the champion hurdle and he was to face Faugheen. I'm in a similar boat to Faugheen_Machine though, by which I mean I'm loaded up on Faugheen for the champ, started backing him just after they dropped back to 2 miles in Ireland, I thought that was a phenomenal performance for a novice, and the faster they go the better he jumps, ideal for a champion hurdle in my view. I suppose the biggest pointer nearer the time would be which one Ruby chose if any of these were to meet, but I'd be more afraid of a rejuvanated Hurricane Fly if he turned up there than uds.
 
I am a huge UDS fan but think he needs cut in the ground.
 
I agree entirely with you MrMcGoldrick wrt UDS. If he turns up in the Arkle, and Vautour doesn't, it would be a poor decision from the Mullins camp (regardless of the result). The previous years Supreme winner should only have two possible targets the following year; the champion hurdle or the Arkle.

The fact that Vautour is available at 4/1 when he should probably be closer to 2/1 is a real worry for me.
 
Ruby will keep them apart.

Gods own back in novice company next ?
 
I think GO will revert to novice company, although he isn't a horse that would be on my mind as an Arkle winner. Apart from Vautour, I've got Sgt Reckless, Gilgamboa and Josses Hill on the shortlist.

Does anyone know when we are likely to see Gilgamboa next?
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
I think GO will revert to novice company, although he isn't a horse that would be on my mind as an Arkle winner. Apart from Vautour, I've got Sgt Reckless, Gilgamboa and Josses Hill on the shortlist.

Does anyone know when we are likely to see Gilgamboa next?
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Gilgamboa is entered il Leopardstown on 26th. Http://info.hri-racing.ie/Content/RAS/entries/Microsoft_Word__2014_ONOR341.PDF UDS and Vautour also potential runners.

Josses Hill will be out next week I think.
 
Morning Glory said:
Ruby will keep them apart.

Gods own back in novice company next ?
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Gods Own has to go right handed ? He might be a contender in an ordinary year but plenty of interesting novices this year.
 
I've noticed that Vautour has been cut in a few places for the Arkle, just Betfred and the Tote at 4/1, and they are the same firm. Paddy Power are the biggest worry, as someone has already stated, because of the Ruby connection. Surely the biggest races are the Champion Chase and the Gold cup for chasers so why would Richie want this potential phenomenon to be aimed at the nondescript JLT followed, presumably, by the Ryanair next year. If the horse was mine and for some reason I was being pressured to avoid the Arkle I think I would rather go straight for the Queen Mum than take in a race for also rans, relatively speaking.
 
Keep an eye on Ladbrokes prices, they seem to have the inside knowledge of the Mullins yard
 
Thanks Paz, I was going to mention, then forgot, that Ladbrokes were only quoting 5/2 for Vautour in the Arkle so that gives some hope to those, like me, who have a series of doubles on Vautour and Faugheen for the Arkle and Champion hurdle, I also have them both singularly, with by far the biggest liability on Faugheen, if something happens to him between now and March it will put a big hole in my season, not to mention leaving a large hole in my bank account with no chance of being filled.
 
Mullins/walsh form in Chases at the Festival of any concern to Vautour backers ?

As far as I can see Ruby is 1/25 (cooldine) on Mullins chasers at the course.
 
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