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Cross Country Chase 2019

Yes I've started chipping away at the 5/1 too. Seems more than fair enough.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Yeah, I have a few bets on Tiger Roll myself. My initial concern was how many horses follow up a win in this race, and secondly how much of last season would have had an effect on him.

Garde Champatre (2008/2009) is the only horse to have followed up from the previous season, though Balthazar King probably would have gone close, as he followed up the season after (2012/2014) having missed the 2013 race through injury.

Given that it is such a young race in terms of history at the festival, and 2 horses have come back and won it twice at some point, I can probably dispel the worry of Tiger Roll being able to follow up.

However, this race and then the Grand National last season is a lot for one horse to achieve and I'd imagine plenty of them could bottom out after such a season, I am pinning my hopes on Tiger Rolls attitude from those wins and that mentally he must be a strong animal.

The opposition in the race is also something that would have me backing Tiger Roll again. Urgent De Gregaine was a worthy opponent last season but will be 11 this time around, same as The Last Samurai, and recent years have suggested we should be looking at 8, 9 or 10 year old's ideally. At this moment in time the only horse I can causing him a problem is Auvergnat.
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I think I am going to take a small cover position on Auvergnat @ 12's.
 
You know how I love to be a wet blanket so I went back to this:
http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showthread.php?8642-Cross-Country-Chase-2018

Substitute Tiger Roll for Cause Of Causes and the first 5 pages there are pretty close to what's on here so far except that Tiger Roll is even shorter. I didn't go any further so I can't tell you the first time that Tiger Roll got a mention last year.
 
archie said:
You know how I love to be a wet blanket so I went back to this:
http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showthread.php?8642-Cross-Country-Chase-2018

Substitute Tiger Roll for Cause Of Causes and the first 5 pages there are pretty close to what's on here so far except that Tiger Roll is even shorter. I didn't go any further so I can't tell you the first time that Tiger Roll got a mention last year.
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:highly_amused::highly_amused:

The theme is there for all to see, you know what's coming, some left fielder, like, say.....Timiyan, who has just been priced up by Hills ;)
 
archie said:
You know how I love to be a wet blanket so I went back to this:
http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showthread.php?8642-Cross-Country-Chase-2018

Substitute Tiger Roll for Cause Of Causes and the first 5 pages there are pretty close to what's on here so far except that Tiger Roll is even shorter. I didn't go any further so I can't tell you the first time that Tiger Roll got a mention last year.
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Page 9 archie , I said that if he ran there i'd like him for the race .T.roll
 
archie said:
You know how I love to be a wet blanket so I went back to this:
http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showthread.php?8642-Cross-Country-Chase-2018

Substitute Tiger Roll for Cause Of Causes and the first 5 pages there are pretty close to what's on here so far except that Tiger Roll is even shorter. I didn't go any further so I can't tell you the first time that Tiger Roll got a mention last year.
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You're right to point it out.

Price is everything.

Cause of Causes was 9/1 and that was a good value bet regardless of what position he finished.

It's harder (although not impossible) to say that about Tiger Roll. I'm not rushing to back him at 5/1 because I backed him at 7/1.

He's arguably better value than other 5/1 Ante post shots too but at any single figure price you have to really consider if it's worth the wait. (The literal wait!)
 
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Its a fair point alright Archie. Probably be campaigned quite lightly too, so may well still be about the same price at Christmas!
 
Tiger Roll goes on any ground which COC backers could not have said this time last year.

Good point Can't Catch Me. I agree Tiger Roll will be campaigned lightly. I have taken 7/1, 6/1 and 5/1 in the last few months because I don't think Tiger Roll will do anything between now and March that will see his price go up. He will probably run once in Ireland and/or in one of the Cheltenham XC trials. I remember watching Cause of Causes at Cheltenham on trials day in Jan 2017. Was clearly a schooling session and treated as such, then bolted up in March at 4/1. Tiger Roll did the exact same in Dec 2017, schooled round before winning in March at 7/1. Assuming Tiger Roll goes to a trial day he will either win and the price will shorten considerably, or he won't and people will look at how Elliot has campaigned previous winners of this race and his price will hold and then go down as we approach March.
 
I definitely agree with the comments, can’t see the price moving too much before now and Jan. I think the prep run won’t be to hard on TR either. I have 7/1 and won’t be adding to the position until closer to the festival
 
BigChaang said:
Page 9 archie , I said that if he ran there i'd like him for the race .T.roll
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Nice call BC :encouragement:

I missed the SkyBet special of 7/1 thinking it would hold for longer than it did so i've been pretty reluctant to back the 5/1 price as of yet however he's certainly a horse I want onside for this race and will more than likely add over the next month or so, potentially looking at adding him alongside the likes of Altior, Santini on some Wednesday multiples.

The upbeat reports on the horse at this stage of the season are encouraging, from todays RP:

He's absolutely bouncing, you wouldn't believe how well he is in himself. He's loving life...We'll keep him in Cross Country races. He's still only eight and we could get a couple more years out of him doing that job if we mind him
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Sounds like he's peaking way too soon to me :highly_amused::devilish:
 
Looking back at the C.country results , it does appear that , horses in it , Reappear regularly ....
Spot the difference -2005.,2006, A new story - 2008, 2010, 2012 ,. Garde champetre
2008, 2009, 2011., Balthazar king - 2012 ,2014 , Any currency , bless the wings ...
 
BigChaang said:
Looking back at the C.country results , it does appear that , horses in it , Reappear regularly ....
Spot the difference -2005.,2006, A new story - 2008, 2010, 2012 ,. Garde champetre
2008, 2009, 2011., Balthazar king - 2012 ,2014 , Any currency , bless the wings ...
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Most have to be campaigned to handle the XC course which means horse reappear regularly. There have been as many winners aged 10 and over as there have been under, so if minded well (as GE said the other day re TR) there is no reason why horses can't take multiple attempts to win it more than once. Finger's crossed Tiger Roll is the third horse to do it
 
Something in the back of my head is telling me to leave Tiger Roll well alone so i wont be playing till nearer the time.If im wrong you lot can hang me out to dry.
 
somer1 said:
Something in the back of my head is telling me to leave Tiger Roll well alone so i wont be playing till nearer the time.If im wrong you lot can hang me out to dry.
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I totally agree with you, I don’t see TR getting any shorter this calendar year.

I’ve just revisited last years thread and Tiger Roll wasn’t mentioned until he appeared in entries on the 9th December, ran on the 15th and we were all still carrying on think CoC was untouchable. First mention of TR being priced up was 10/1 in January.

I am fully convinced that atleast one big name with the National in mind will come here, admittedly I was wrong about Don Poli but there is plenty of others.
 
Hurricane fly said:
I totally agree with you, I don’t see TR getting any shorter this calendar year.

I’ve just revisited last years thread and Tiger Roll wasn’t mentioned until he appeared in entries on the 9th December, ran on the 15th and we were all still carrying on think CoC was untouchable. First mention of TR being priced up was 10/1 in January.

I am fully convinced that atleast one big name with the National in mind will come here, admittedly I was wrong about Don Poli but there is plenty of others.
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Bigchaang mentioned Tiger Roll on 13th November last year

You make a good point about the National - as a proven stepping stone how many trainers are going to campaign down the XC route with the National in mind?
 
I maintain Cause of Causes 9/1 was the best value bet I had last season - I think he was a better bet than Tiger Roll ante post at 10/1 any day of the week. You can't just say 'Tiger Roll won so it was a good bet' because that isn't how it works.

IF you'd take a horse that has had one attempt and finished out the back of the tv (Tiger Roll) at 1 point bigger (10/1) than the reigning champion (9/1) you're a lunatic (I know CoC wasn't still 9/1 at that point) but backing ante post, the value was still in Cause of Causes relative to Tiger Roll's price later in the season.

Cause of Causes went off a shorter price on the day that Tiger Roll, I maintain, Cause of Causes 9/1 was a better bet than Tiger Roll 10/1


On a slightly different note -

The Last Samuri 11/4f - what a joke :highly_amused:
Somebody must have known Cause of Causes wasn't going to run his race :p
 
Kevloaf said:
I maintain Cause of Causes 9/1 was the best value bet I had last season - I think he was a better bet than Tiger Roll ante post at 10/1 any day of the week. You can't just say 'Tiger Roll won so it was a good bet' because that isn't how it works.

IF you'd take a horse that has had one attempt and finished out the back of the tv (Tiger Roll) at 1 point bigger (10/1) than the reigning champion (9/1) you're a lunatic (I know CoC wasn't still 9/1 at that point) but backing ante post, the value was still in Cause of Causes relative to Tiger Roll's price later in the season.

Cause of Causes went off a shorter price on the day that Tiger Roll, I maintain, Cause of Causes 9/1 was a better bet than Tiger Roll 10/1


On a slightly different note -

The Last Samuri 11/4f - what a joke :highly_amused:
Somebody must have known Cause of Causes wasn't going to run his race :p
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Absolutely right.
Had a discussion with my business partner on exact same philosophy today, a good bet isn't always a winning bet, and a winning bet isn't always a good bet.
Unless, of course, it's the only bet you ever have.
 
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