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Champion Hurdle 2018

KingSprinterSacre said:
The New one and defi the most high profile ones taken out of the champion hurdle today
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Little bit surprised at that.

I didn't fancy DDS at all, but did take 20/1 e/w earlier in the season (after his first run) as I thought it was an over reaction.... turns out it wasn't.

I'd be sitting smuggly saying I told you so to everybody...but I can't, as I am 3 pts down now :highly_amused:
 
Is CALL ME LORD a bet to nothing in the CH without BVD at 20/1.

He is vying for favouritism with Ch'tibello today who is 8/1 in the same market. (They're 33/1 and 20/1 respectively in the normal market but not interested in that)

If Call me lord wins today ... he HAS to be a shorter price than Ch'tibello ... if he loses today ... they'll look for a handicap for him? Certainly won't be going for the CH?
 
How about a W.Mullins 1-2-3 in this? What are the odds? I really fancy Faugheen, Wicklow Brave and Melon to be ridden to orders and BD will be boxed in ,cut up, taken on at different stages and hassled out of the race . Team tactics will be the order of the day. On all known form Faugheen wins this easily. BD has only beaten MTOY by 5L . and a few GD. 2 /3 horses to date. A fit Faugheen has 8lb in hand I reckon.
 
Bigfish said:
How about a W.Mullins 1-2-3 in this? What are the odds? I really fancy Faugheen, Wicklow Brave and Melon to be ridden to orders and BD will be boxed in ,cut up, taken on at different stages and hassled out of the race . Team tactics will be the order of the day. On all known form Faugheen wins this easily. BD has only beaten MTOY by 5L . and a few GD. 2 /3 horses to date. A fit Faugheen has 8lb in hand I reckon.
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On all known form? Which bit of Faugheen's recent form gives him the beating of Buveur D'air on last season's Champion Hurdle run?

Faugheen hasn't shown anything like his best form on his last two runs so it takes a leap of faith to say Faugheen wins easily.

Wicklow Brave and Melon aren't in the same league as Buveur D'air imo.

Team tactics in a 2 miler championship race when all horses are under different ownership? That'd be a first.:devilish:
 
I go back 2 races when he beat Jezki by nearly 17L easily. I think he was given a higher rating 171 ++for the win than BD achieved in last years Champion Hurdle-171 . I make Faugheens best possible rating 177. I mean Team WM ,every horse will run to its merits. If and when I'm proved wrong I will be the first to highlight my flawed opinion. I 'm banking on it that I'm not!
 
Bigfish said:
I go back 2 races when he beat Jezki by nearly 17L easily. I think he was given a higher rating 171 ++for the win than BD achieved in last years Champion Hurdle-171 . I make Faugheens best possible rating 177. I mean Team WM ,every horse will run to its merits. If and when I'm proved wrong I will be the first to highlight my flawed opinion. I 'm banking on it that I'm not!
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A peak Faugheen would beat Buveur D'air. A 10 year old Faugheen having been off the track for almost 2 years and having run well below form on his last two runs, has it all to prove imo.

I'd love to see him win it. It'd lift the roof off Cheltenham if he got his head in front.
 
Bigfish said:
I go back 2 races when he beat Jezki by nearly 17L easily. I think he was given a higher rating 171 ++for the win than BD achieved in last years Champion Hurdle-171 . I make Faugheens best possible rating 177. I mean Team WM ,every horse will run to its merits. If and when I'm proved wrong I will be the first to highlight my flawed opinion. I 'm banking on it that I'm not!
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Did faugheen run any worse last time out than his seasonal debut? I think he ran pretty close to that tbh. And people went over board on his 1st run.
 
Bigfish said:
He will win and not by a head...Keep the faith.
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Completely controversial but iv always thought this.

His Irish champion hurdle win . Nichols canyon jumped out to the right violently made some mistakes and diddnt run to his full potential.
Arctic fire bombed the time before had a chipped knee and was out for the season after that race.
It's not as good as it looked on paper.
He's never faced mtoy.


How good was faugheen and how good he is now, is very hard to measure imo.
 
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Scooby91 said:
Did faugheen run any worse last time out than his seasonal debut? I think he ran pretty close to that tbh. And people went over board on his 1st run.
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My figures have him running 10lb below his first run in November . he will come on a ton for his most recent run
 
Bigfish said:
My figures have him running 10lb below his first run in November . he will come on a ton for his most recent run
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Don't see it myself Buveur D'air hasn't had to come out of 2nd gear yet this season.
 
Bigfish said:
My figures have him running 10lb below his first run in November . he will come on a ton for his most recent run
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What part of the run is 10 pounds lower? And why?
Just out of interest.

It was a poor field 1st time up.

And I do want him or mtoy to win.
 
SeanRock said:
Don't see it myself Buveur D'air hasn't had to come out of 2nd gear yet this season.
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He hasn't had to so far your right. His prep races he should win as he is the reigning Champion hurdler but not a high class one.
 
Bigfish said:
He hasn't had to so far your right. His prep races he should win as he is the reigning Champion hurdler but not a high class one.
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Nonsense imo, he looks to be hurdling with even better speed than last year. He was gaining a few lengths on TNO at each hurdle at Christmas.
 
Scooby91 said:
What part of the run is 10 pounds lower? And why?
Just out of interest.

It was a poor field 1st time up.

And I do want him or mtoy to win.
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I've taken Jezki form LTO as a guide. He beat Jezki by 17L on his first start back from injury easily. I add to his rating for ease of win +5L. In Faugheens last race beaten by Supasundae , he was only 11L ahead of Jezki. I do the sum and it adds up to a 10lb decrease in performance rating.. phew!
 
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I will lose my mind if Faugheen does a Sprinter, but I can find no basis in fact or logic to deduce he will do it.

Not to say he wont', but even I, who had Faugheen listed in the thank yous on the order of ceremonies at my wedding, can't find a case for him
 
SeanRock said:
Nonsense imo, he looks to be hurdling with even better speed than last year. He was gaining a few lengths on TNO at each hurdle at Christmas.
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I'm not denying that Buveur Dairs a GD1 horse . He's just not a 4/6 shot and superstar and clear of the field. Faugheen should be!!
 
Bigfish said:
I've taken Jezki form LYO as a guide. He beat Jezki by 17L on his first start back from injury easily. I add to his rating for ease of win +5L. In Faugheens last race beaten by Supasundae , he was only 11L ahead of Jezki. I do the sum and it adds up to a 10lb decrease in performance rating.. phew!
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I can't have that personally, as they were completely different races and faugheen was allowed to dictate as his own pace in a small field 1st time up. . but I respect that you have your own way of doing it. :)
 
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