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Triumph Hurdle 2018

archie said:
Willie has a press day tomorrow so maybe more to mull over then.

Personally hate Kempton form for Cheltenham but, if any group may be helped by this skidpan dump of a track, it would be juvenile hurdlers fresh off the flat.
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This is when Willie declares Stormy Ireland as a machine (hopefully) :highly_amused:;)
 
kinloch brae said:
Unless you suddenly think that Espoir D'Allen doesn't stay two miles there is absolutely no chance the horse ran his race last time.
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We can never be sure can we ?
But they've opted not to run at cheltenham, there's no sign of injury, and of course the horse does stay 2 mile, but they went very quick that day and he couldn't stay with the other two at the finish. His wins were all off a slower gallop.
Reminds me of Megae Fortune turning the form round last year with Bapaume and landofhopeand glory. That juvenile race at leopardstown is the best judge of a triumph contender.
 
kinloch brae said:
And his conclusion is? No good having theories if they don't lead anywhere.

To my eyes Global Citizen was a very impressive front running winner and Redicean was a very impressive hold-up winner. The latter's time was only going to be as good as those leading him. They are not going to meet so is the time difference really a big deal?

Hutchinson has only asked Redicean after the second last. I suspect he was quicker than Global Citizen from that point.
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I don't follow him enough to warrant even asking him what his conclusion was, I was merely posting for those who may have missed it, personally it takes more than one mans word on timings for me to make a decision regarding a specific horse, but as this is an open forum I thought someone, somewhere may find it useful.
 
I'll be place laying Redician in the Triumph. The triumph is usually won by staying types and don't see this year's renewal being any different.

Farclas, Mr Adjudicator and Apple's Shakira are three I like ahead of Redician.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
I'll be place laying Redician in the Triumph. The triumph is usually won by staying types and don't see this year's renewal being any different.

Farclas, Mr Adjudicator and Apple's Shakira are three I like ahead of Redician.
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Pretty much agree with that. I think Shakira will win followed in by Farclas.
 
Girl power in the Triumph. Apples Shakira is only just better than Stormy Ireland. W Mullins has stated that SI is his best juvenile. So I didnt bother with the Adjudicator /Farclas form although it is good enough to place behind them two I reckon.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
I'll be place laying Redician in the Triumph. The triumph is usually won by staying types and don't see this year's renewal being any different.

Farclas, Mr Adjudicator and Apple's Shakira are three I like ahead of Redician.
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Glad you brought this up, Ruby alluded to the fact in his Racing UK Facebook Live stream that Stormy Ireland was more the staying type between the pair of herself and Mr Adjudicator, and that Mr Adjudicator was more the speedier horse, but SI showed no lack of speed on debut in heavy ground either!

She is a very small horse and due to this she seemed to get over her hurdles incredibly quickly on debut in Ireland too, I wouldn't be surprised if she runs them ragged, and fingers crossed she can stay up the hill, as there will be plenty of hold up horse and strong finishers in the race.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Glad you brought this up, Ruby alluded to the fact in his Racing UK Facebook Live stream that Stormy Ireland was more the staying type between the pair of herself and Mr Adjudicator, and that Mr Adjudicator was more the speedier horse, but SI showed no lack of speed on debut in heavy ground either!

She is a very small horse and due to this she seemed to get over her hurdles incredibly quickly on debut in Ireland too, I wouldn't be surprised if she runs them ragged, and fingers crossed she can stay up the hill, as there will be plenty of hold up horse and strong finishers in the race.
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All depends what stormy ireland finds of the bridle.
Her french form is strong but she found zero of the bridle when looking all over the winner on both occasions.
 
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Scooby91 said:
All depends what stormy ireland finds of the bridle.
Her french form is strong but she found zero of the bridle when looking all over the winner on both occasions.
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I'd have to slightly disagree with the bridle comment, Willie has said they chose to hold her up in France, yet off the bridle she still managed to finish 2nd both times, agree she could have gone past the winner in one of them races (that's the only one I've managed to watch), but she was far far from fluent over her last 2 hurdles on that occasion, and most horses wouldn't have even managed to get 2nd. Her jumping was brilliant on her Irish debut so that is of no concern to me now.

I can't comment of the other of her 2 races in France as I have not seen this race.
 
Redicean up 12lb to 149. 3lb higher than Apples Shakira
 
ryanh97 said:
Redicean up 12lb to 149. 3lb higher than Apples Shakira
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With the 7lb sex allowance AS gets , she's still 4L ahead of him on the OR's .. Her rating should be higher I think about 2lb higher than Redicean . That would put her about 8L clear of him I reckon.
 
Bigfish said:
With the 7lb sex allowance AS gets , she's still 4L ahead of him on the OR's .. Her rating should be higher I think about 2lb higher than Redicean . That would put her about 8L clear of him I reckon.
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If you think Apple's shakira will be 8L ahead of redicean I'd like some of what your smoking :)
 
Apple's Shakira would be most vulnerable to steady pace that turned into a sprint from down the hill - Stormy Ireland will set it up nicely for the stronger staying types if she bowls along in front. Mr Adjudicator the bet though as his last run beating Farclas being overlooked.

Good article on ATR by Simon Rowlands here - http://cheltenham.attheraces.com/se...spotlight-juvenile-hurdlers-and-bumper-horses

Mick Fitz has also given him a positive mention.
 
Lessey said:
Apple's Shakira would be most vulnerable to steady pace that turned into a sprint from down the hill - Stormy Ireland will set it up nicely for the stronger staying types if she bowls along in front. Mr Adjudicator the bet though as his last run beating Farclas being overlooked.

Good article on ATR by Simon Rowlands here - http://cheltenham.attheraces.com/se...spotlight-juvenile-hurdlers-and-bumper-horses

Mick Fitz has also given him a positive mention.
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How much of a positive is that?

Is the time boffin is an outstanding tipster? All about finding an angle (that plenty can cope without) and seeing his name in lights. Job done.
 
kinloch brae said:
How much of a positive is that?

Is the time boffin is an outstanding tipster? All about finding an angle (that plenty can cope without) and seeing his name in lights. Job done.
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As this is now the second time you have jumped on a poster for posting about Simon Rowlands I am assuming you have a massive problem with the guy, that said each is entitled to post what they feel relevant to a thread, including yourself, but to jump on the poster isn't going to answer your questions regarding SR nor is it going to help you in your anger towards him either!
 
Lessey said:
Apple's Shakira would be most vulnerable to steady pace that turned into a sprint from down the hill - Stormy Ireland will set it up nicely for the stronger staying types if she bowls along in front. Mr Adjudicator the bet though as his last run beating Farclas being overlooked.

Good article on ATR by Simon Rowlands here - http://cheltenham.attheraces.com/se...spotlight-juvenile-hurdlers-and-bumper-horses

Mick Fitz has also given him a positive mention.
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Stormy Ireland will be gone before they know it and the jockeys will get an absolute hiding from the public when they get asked the question "why did you give her so much of a lead?"
 
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