Anyone heard any news on Wylie’s Stay Humble, not been seeing the track yet and surely running out of time before the Cheltenham bumper
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Cheltenham Bumper 2018
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Can't find anything.
Looking at Mullins bumper runners and when they first ran that season.... ***this is going to take me longer than I'd hoped, hopefully be worthwhile!**
2009 - 8 runners! (Race won by Dunguib)
Quel Espirit (4th) - debut 27.12.08 (won)
Morning Supreme (5th) - debut 19.12.08 (won)
Cranky Corner (7th) - debut 30.11.08 (2nd)
Meath All Star (11th) - debut 11.07.08 (won)
Gagewell Flyer (15th) - debut 13.12.08 (won)
Sicilian Secret (16th) - debut 15.02.09 (won) - Patrick's mount in the Chelt Bumper (not sure if he had "first pick" then though?)
Cadspeed (22nd) - debut 30.10.08 (3rd) - had 4 runs before Chelt
Quinola Des Obeaux (24th) - debut 16.11.08 (won)
2010 Won by Cue Card from Al Ferof (Ruby riding for Nicholls in this years)
Bishopsfurze (7th) - debut 24.02.10 (won)
Up Ou That (13th) - debut 17.01.10 (won)
Day Of A Lifetime (24th) - debut 20.02.10 (won)
2011 Won by Cheltenian
Tusa Eire (15th) - debut 02.01.11 (2nd) - ran again in Jan (won) Ruby rode
Lord Gale (PU) - debut 13.02.11 (won) Patricks ride... both Mullins runners were 20/1.
Felix Yonger ran for Wylie but for Howard Johnson - 66/1 and came 21st.
2012 won by Chapange Fever (Ricci) (Jezki, The New One, Many Clouds all G1 winners in behind that day)
Champagne Fever (1st) - debut 26.12.11 (2nd), raced again 22.01.12 (won) - Patrick rode at 16/1
Pique Sous (3rd) - debut 26.04.11 in a sales bumper (2nd) then 12.02.12 (won) - Ruby's ride
2013 won by Briar Hill (Wylie)
Briar Hill (1st) - debut 03.01.13 (won) Ruby's ride at 25/1 at Cheltenham
Union Dues (8th) - debut 16.12.12 (won)
Sizing Tennessee (21st) - debut 10.04.12 (4th) two wins then before festival in Dec/Jan
2014 Won by Silver Concorde
Shaneshill (2nd) - debut 09.11.13 (Won) Ruby's ride 7/2f
Black Hercules (4th) - debut 08.12.13 (won) Patrick's ride 13/2
Killiltagh Vic (6th) - debut 21.12.13 (2nd) then one two Jan/Feb - Paul Townend ride 8/1 at festival
2015 Won by Moon Racer
Bellshill (10th) - debut 20.11.14 (won) - Ruby's ride 14/1
Au Quart De Tour (13th) - debut 11.01.15 (won)
Livelovelaugh (15th) - debut 07.12.14 (won)
Up For Review (18th) - debut 29.12.14 (won)
Stone Hard (19th) - debut 20.12.14 (won)
Bordini (PU) - debut 16.11.14 (won)
2016 won by Ballyandy by a nose to...
Battleford (2nd) - debut 31.01.16 (won) beat Presenting Percy - went off 25/1 with Fogarty on at Chelt
Bacardys (3rd) - debut 26.12.15 (won) - Runby's mount 16/1
Castello Sforza (4th) - debut 05.04.15 (won) 11/1 Barry Geraghty rode
Augusta Kate (7th) - debut 19.09.15 (won) also ran Nov (won) - went off 7/2f for Paul Townend
Very Much So (8th) - debut 29.04.14 (won) - no run then before next March 33/1
Avenir D'Une Vie (12th) - debut 14.11.15 (4th) behind Our Duke. Ran 3 times then, Dec,Jan,Feb 2 wins and 2nd. 10/1 Patricks mount.
Turcagua (15th) - debut 20.04.14 (3rd behind Moon racer at Fairyhouse on debut) - then ran Dec 14 and missed entire season...
2017 Won by Fayonagh
Next Destination (4th) - debut 01.01.17 (won) - Ruby's mount 10/1
Carter McKay (15th) - debut 28.12.16 (won) 1 more run, won. Patricks mount 11/2.
Probably worth mentioning that Getabird was ante post fav when ruled out.
SO - after all that.... apart from 5 of these runners, they'd all have been out by now. Some hope for Stay Humble, but would need to run in Mid Feb or end of Jan... perhaps the new Dublin racing festival is an option (assuming they have a bumper!!!)
Mullins had last place in 2009, 2010, 2011 - but since 2012 has had at least 1 horse win or hit the frame bar one year.
If they win on debut, the majorty go straight there... if beaten, they always run again.
To be fair, I only started from 2009 as it is the first I can remember but:
1996 Wither or Which Mr Willie Mullins Willie Mullins
1997 Florida Pearl Richard Dunwoody Willie Mullins
1998 Alexander Banquet Mr Ruby Walsh Willie Mullins
2000 Joe Cullen Charlie Swan Willie Mullins
2005 Missed That Ruby Walsh Willie Mullins
2008 Cousin Vinny Mr Patrick Mullins Willie Mullins
2012 Champagne Fever Mr Patrick Mullins Willie Mullins
2013 Briar Hill Ruby Walsh Willie Mullins
8 wins from 25 runnings is superb
He's never gone more than 4 seasons without winning it.... so this year is a slam dunk :highly_amused:
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Worth noting that priorities have changed with this race.
When first introduced (1992 ?) bumpers were nothing more than public schooling sessions in UK, in fact there were very few bumpers in UK in those days, the Irish always placed great emphasis on such events and in fact used to have 8 bumpers at the Punchestown festival (no idea if they still do).
So the Mullins/Irish monopoly on the first 15 years of the race was predictable, UK trainers now place much greater emphasis on bumpers and the success of UK trainers over the past 10 years or so in the race is proof of that.
How you use that to help you with solving todays puzzles I have no idea but it would be foolish to think that the same approach is taken by all trainers as was the case a few years ago....
When first introduced (1992 ?) bumpers were nothing more than public schooling sessions in UK, in fact there were very few bumpers in UK in those days, the Irish always placed great emphasis on such events and in fact used to have 8 bumpers at the Punchestown festival (no idea if they still do).
So the Mullins/Irish monopoly on the first 15 years of the race was predictable, UK trainers now place much greater emphasis on bumpers and the success of UK trainers over the past 10 years or so in the race is proof of that.
How you use that to help you with solving todays puzzles I have no idea but it would be foolish to think that the same approach is taken by all trainers as was the case a few years ago....
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He was ready to run at xmas according to Mr Wylie but the delay does seem a bit of a worry.
I had a look through the bumper today to see how many on Oddschecker would meet my bumper system.
FWIW there are three at this stage Hollowgraphic, The Big Bite and Town Head.
Ive already backed Hollowgraphic (12/1) a few weeks back and with the markets being NRNB Ive backed the other two today both 25/1 2pt wins. I will back all qualifiers again on the day ew with a firm that pays 4 places.
(ps great stats above about Willies bumper horse)
I had a look through the bumper today to see how many on Oddschecker would meet my bumper system.
FWIW there are three at this stage Hollowgraphic, The Big Bite and Town Head.
Ive already backed Hollowgraphic (12/1) a few weeks back and with the markets being NRNB Ive backed the other two today both 25/1 2pt wins. I will back all qualifiers again on the day ew with a firm that pays 4 places.
(ps great stats above about Willies bumper horse)
Nothing at all tbh. Other than Sangha river who would have been beaten easily in 2nd a long way behind, winning a weak looking bumper since.
To be fair it's nobody associated with the yard who had hyped him up. Just when people found that wylie purchased him after his sales race. and put 2+ 2 together
Good to see hollowgraphic and blackbow get mentions. That s been my 2 picks for this race for a while
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I wouldn't really expect him to mention an unraced bumper horse in his stable tour. It looks like they are concentrating on the stars from the stable.
I do recall you mentioning Blackbow as your alternative, certainly sounds like they're the top 2 so far
I hope you're right FM - running out of time though...
If anyone saw ATR monday view this morning , they had Dan Barber on from Timeform.
He got talking about the bumper horses and ratings ,all got positive mentions but when they talked about DIDtheyleaveuoutto and showed his Lingfield romp on the all weather(a must see by the way , the acceleration shown was Arazi style)Barber came out with this fact.
The horse covered the last three furlongs faster than any other horse at the track in last 5 years bar one. He then went to Ascot where we know what he did their.
He got talking about the bumper horses and ratings ,all got positive mentions but when they talked about DIDtheyleaveuoutto and showed his Lingfield romp on the all weather(a must see by the way , the acceleration shown was Arazi style)Barber came out with this fact.
The horse covered the last three furlongs faster than any other horse at the track in last 5 years bar one. He then went to Ascot where we know what he did their.
I think he could be really special. A close relative to Denman showing speed on the all weather like that... cruised past a high class field at Ascot... we’ll see how good he really is in March but he’s the favourite for me at this stage
Barber was almost glowing when he spoke about him. His daisy cutting leg action at Lingfield was certainly that of a good ground horse , if it came up good ground towards end of day two he going to make them all go.
Best British .... or best?
I always feel I want the "best" from either side of the sea backed, as one set might just be ahead of the other!
Unbelievable turn of foot. Not sure that the Ascot win was the fastest race, so the question mark is whether what is bound to be a fast run bumper blunts his finishing kick. Might be one to go on in race as if he’s towards the front end coming to the last couple and still on the bridle watch him go