Stayers Hurdle 2018

[Kevloaf]

Ben Pauling...

I hope Barters Hill is still a very smart horse and if everything goes well he will remain in training and you'd be tempted with an entry in the Stayers' Hurdle, but if he’s not anything like the level he was at before his injury then he will finish.

He’s been a superstar to us and I’d never ask him to doss around in lower grade races. He doesn’t owe us anything.



20/1 NRNB for the stayers ... would only run if he could win it by the sounds of it.... I'm tempted because I love this horses attitude and if he retains his ability he is exiting in an open renewal

 

[Scooby91]

Ben Pauling...

I hope Barters Hill is still a very smart horse and if everything goes well he will remain in training and you'd be tempted with an entry in the Stayers' Hurdle, but if he’s not anything like the level he was at before his injury then he will finish.

He’s been a superstar to us and I’d never ask him to doss around in lower grade races. He doesn’t owe us anything.



20/1 NRNB for the stayers ... would only run if he could win it by the sounds of it.... I'm tempted because I love this horses attitude and if he retains his ability he is exiting in an open renewal

Like somebody else mentioned id have loved to have see him down in trip. Obviously he may not be the horse he was.

 

[jkite16]

Only 27s on the exchanges

I risked it and took 85's on the exchanges prior to KV's comeback race. Hopefully stays over hurdles this season and can head back chasing next :triumphant:

 

[Scooby91]

I risked it and took 85's on the exchanges prior to KV's comeback race. Hopefully stays over hurdles this season and can head back chasing next :triumphant:

After race at*Punchestown Sun, 31st Dec, 2017 (1st)**

"His engine is in tact alright but his hurdle jumping brain hasn't changed much!. Hopefully everything will be alright over the next week and we'll probably look for something over fences for him the next time. He's not a natural hurdler. The main thing is just to recover from this race and look for a target after that. I sort of wondered whether I'd stay hurdling with him this season but the way he jumped there he's not going to step up in class much more. We schooled him over fences the other day, before Leopardstown, and maybe that's what was in his head but he hasn't the best reputation as a hurdler. We'll probably look for a chase. The Kinloch Brae in Thurles might come too soon. Maybe the Red Mills Chase might suit better. Today's job is done and the next job is to see how he comes out of the race, then we'll look at something after that. The conditions of this race suited. We entered him in other races over Christmas but these conditions suited and he needed all those weight advantages to win" W P Mullins

 

[jkite16]

After race at*Punchestown Sun, 31st Dec, 2017 (1st)**

"His engine is in tact alright but his hurdle jumping brain hasn't changed much!. Hopefully everything will be alright over the next week and we'll probably look for something over fences for him the next time. He's not a natural hurdler. The main thing is just to recover from this race and look for a target after that. I sort of wondered whether I'd stay hurdling with him this season but the way he jumped there he's not going to step up in class much more. We schooled him over fences the other day, before Leopardstown, and maybe that's what was in his head but he hasn't the best reputation as a hurdler. We'll probably look for a chase. The Kinloch Brae in Thurles might come too soon. Maybe the Red Mills Chase might suit better. Today's job is done and the next job is to see how he comes out of the race, then we'll look at something after that. The conditions of this race suited. We entered him in other races over Christmas but these conditions suited and he needed all those weight advantages to win" W P Mullins

:sorrow::sorrow:

 

[Hurricane fly]

Ben Pauling...

I hope Barters Hill is still a very smart horse and if everything goes well he will remain in training and you'd be tempted with an entry in the Stayers' Hurdle, but if he’s not anything like the level he was at before his injury then he will finish.

He’s been a superstar to us and I’d never ask him to doss around in lower grade races. He doesn’t owe us anything.



20/1 NRNB for the stayers ... would only run if he could win it by the sounds of it.... I'm tempted because I love this horses attitude and if he retains his ability he is exiting in an open renewal

His rating is lower enough that they could target a handicap but NRNB gets rid of that

 

[Kevloaf]

His rating is lower enough that they could target a handicap but NRNB gets rid of that

Yeah I remember reading early or pre season be might go for a decent handicap hurdle.

I think he's unlikely to run .... but if he did its because they think he had a huge chance and could pick up a handicap hurdle on the way ... No risk.

 

[Hurricane fly]

I’m hoping he goes to the Coral Cup however 20/1 NRNB is enough for a play for me

 

[Scooby91]

Obviously kept sam spinner ew at 20s .but i cashed out lami serge ew at 14/1 the other day for stake back. I don't like the way he's going 2m3 next. Stayers still the target but I can't see any way in which his price gets shorter.

Must admit not a fan of supasundae going for the Irish champion hurdle either.

 

[Robbante]

I’m starting to really fancy Penhill for this. Obviously has it all to prove fitness wise but it can be such a gruelling race and you wonder what the likes of Sam Spinner are going to find after several tough races this season. If Willie can get a warm up run into him early Feb then I’ll probably get on board when I see him declared for that. His form is rock solid to me and it seems an open race, especially if on good, spring ground

 

[Scooby91]

I’m starting to really fancy Penhill for this. Obviously has it all to prove fitness wise but it can be such a gruelling race and you wonder what the likes of Sam Spinner are going to find after several tough races this season. If Willie can get a warm up run into him early Feb then I’ll probably get on board when I see him declared for that. His form is rock solid to me and it seems an open race, especially if on good, spring ground

I'm not sure if penhill comes back at all this season. Was a nasty Injury whilst being trained for the Melbourne cup.

 

[Scooby91]

his owner, Brighton & Hove Albion chairman Tony Bloom, told The Argus: "Unfortunately, Penhill is injured. It's not looking good. We'll wait and see how the next six months go.

"It was just in training. The Melbourne Cup is out. Maybe one day. Another little dream of mine."


That was mid August.

 

[Robbante]

his owner, Brighton & Hove Albion chairman Tony Bloom, told The Argus: "Unfortunately, Penhill is injured. It's not looking good. We'll wait and see how the next six months go.

"It was just in training. The Melbourne Cup is out. Maybe one day. Another little dream of mine."

That was mid August.

Will be tight timewise for sure, but one to keep an eye on for entries, read on Twitter that he is expected to be out in time for a prep run but that could be nonsense. The Worlds End would be my biggest winner currently and to me is still way overpriced. Back on spring ground and was running a huge race when coming down last year (may well have challenged Penhill for the win). Like the way he’s been campaigned

 

[SeanRock]

Supasundae is sticking out like a sore thump to me for this...his latest run in pushing Apples Jade all the way to the line at Christmas was one of the best i'v seen from the horse who seems to be still progressing, he's at his best on good spring ground, has festival form after winning the coral cup last year and the race looks wide open, think he's being underestimated by many i'd have him over Sam Spinner come March any day of the week

 

[Bayoffreedom]

Supasundae is sticking out like a sore thump to me for this...his latest run in pushing Apples Jade all the way to the line at Christmas was one of the best i'v seen from the horse who seems to be still progressing, he's at his best on good spring ground, has festival form after winning the coral cup last year and the race looks wide open

Totally agree with this; he also ran well in the Bumper in 2015. When you take into account how Harrington's horses ran last week it makes his run look even better.

 

[SeanRock]

Totally agree with this; he also ran well in the Bumper in 2015. When you take into account how Harrington's horses ran last week it makes his run look even better.

I think he's value at current prices, so many question marks over the rest of the head of the market

 

[Robbante]

In the Ryanair at Aintree on good spring ground Supasundae finished less than a length ahead of Snow Falcon, who had been soundly beaten by UNWIMH twice last year. In the coral cup last year he finished a couple of lengths ahead of Taquin De Seuil, who Sam Spinner and UNWIMH hammered last time out. Just don’t think his form is there at the top level as a staying hurdler. I think Sam Spinner is a worthy favourite given it was good to soft last time out, but I would expect The Worlds End to get a lot closer in March

 

[SeanRock]

In the Ryanair at Aintree on good spring ground Supasundae finished less than a length ahead of Snow Falcon, who had been soundly beaten by UNWIMH twice last year. In the coral cup last year he finished a couple of lengths ahead of Taquin De Seuil, who Sam Spinner and UNWIMH hammered last time out. Just don’t think his form is there at the top level as a staying hurdler. I think Sam Spinner is a worthy favourite given it was good to soft last time out, but I would expect The Worlds End to get a lot closer in March

If Apples Jade was to go for the stayers would you be on her? I certainly would and with Supasundae's latest form giving her 7lbs on ground that would favour Apples Jade massively is hard to look past imo. I also think Jessy has a good knack for preparing her stable to peak on the day she has earmarked them for.

 

[Robbante]

If Apples Jade was to go for the stayers would you be on her?

No, not based on the form of her win last time out, the only time she’s tried 3 miles. 12 lengths or so ahead of Augusta Kate, who had a troubled run as well. Penhill beat Augusta Kate 23 lengths at Cheltenham last March over a similar trip. Maybe simplifying it a bit using those formlines, but it’s all we’ve got to go on at the trip. Sam Spinner has the form in the book this year, is progressive, will be fresh, goes on any ground, he’s pretty solid as a favourite and I’ll be putting most of my eggs in his basket (with cover on the worlds end and Penhill if he gets back)

 

[SeanRock]

No, not based on the form of her win last time out, the only time she’s tried 3 miles. 12 lengths or so ahead of Augusta Kate, who had a troubled run as well. Penhill beat Augusta Kate 23 lengths at Cheltenham last March over a similar trip. Maybe simplifying it a bit using those formlines, but it’s all we’ve got to go on at the trip. Sam Spinner has the form in the book this year, is progressive, will be fresh, goes on any ground, he’s pretty solid as a favourite and I’ll be putting most of my eggs in his basket (with cover on the worlds end and Penhill if he gets back)

I think AJ is a different mare this season she's filled out and matured a lot and looks like she's found another level, but we'll let the mares hurdle do the talking.