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Cheltenham Gold Cup 2018

Why 100% against him wanting 3m 2 around cheltenham? Seems a bold statement, his cheltenham form is incredible and on breeding the step up in trip looks spot on. Obviously he has questions to answer and Ruby will have his hands full, but I think if he switches him off in the early part of the race he could be cruising into contention at the right time. Obviously all ifs and buts but I have him as a far classier horse than Sizing John and thus a better bet whatever the trip


I'm not one for breeding, on breeding being by presenting yes but there are clear exceptions to what you see visually on a race course. There is no way that yorkhills ideal conditions are 3m2 up a hill at chelt.
Visually it's clear to see that he obviously wants a left handed track, which is fine, he needs some pace in his races or he comes alive in the jockeys hands, hes held under a tight restraint and when he's allowed a bit of reign and gets to the front he idles badly. He's a bit like mtoy when he was younger he's a tricky ride and ruby does wonders with him. But even ruby on board I can't see him winning a gold cup what so ever. He will be under tight restraint get lit up by others around him, tank to the front far too early and I'm certain others will get past him.

On breeding up for review would want some decent ground and Willie always mentioned that, but in actual fact to be at his best he wants it soft to heavy as his action glides through the mud. I personally take breeding as a guide but Deffinately not as a fact of they all need the same trip/ conditions. Each horse is an individual .
 
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I'm not one for breeding, on breeding being by presenting yes but there are clear exceptions to what you see visually on a race course. There is no way that yorkhills ideal conditions are 3m2 up a hill at chelt.
Visually it's clear to see that he obviously wants a left handed track, which is fine, he needs some pace in his races or he comes alive in the jockeys hands, hes held under a tight restraint and when he's allowed a bit of reign and gets to the front he idles badly. He's a bit like mtoy when he was younger he's a tricky ride and ruby does wonders with him. But even ruby on board I can't see him winning a gold cup what so ever. He will be under tight restraint get lit up by others around him, tank to the front far too early and I'm certain others will get past him.

Think it will be a good race to bet in running. I’d give him no chance if he is lit up early, but if Ruby can get him switched off and play him later than he ever has then to me he’ll be the best horse in the race. I’d give him a decent chance of getting the trip but all about how he acts in the early part of the race
 
Think it will be a good race to bet in running. I’d give him no chance if he is lit up early, but if Ruby can get him switched off and play him later than he ever has then to me he’ll be the best horse in the race. I’d give him a decent chance of getting the trip but all about how he acts in the early part of the race

It sure will be interesting. I deffinately think his idling will get to him at some point. If you play your challenge late as possible to go by him, by the time he hears you coming and goes again you could get past him in theory. And he might not be able to go again over 3m2 going up the hill.
I could see him going long odds on in running and getting done at the end of the race.
I just can't have him. But that's only my own personal opinion and many can make an excellent case for him.
 
His idling is the biggest problem for me too. Don't see his stamina being an issue, but the longer the trip the earlier he could potentially be left in front. I know Willie usually balks from using it, but I wonder would headgear do the trick.
 
I think me and Mayo have champers ready for End of March ha a good start of the Gold Cup know more after this weekend.
 
King george
1st fox norton
2nd might bite
3rd Thistle crack.
 
I’m pretty confident Bristol De Mai wins the King George. Fox Norton the big danger if staying the trip but just think BDM has matured and improved, so is not track or ground dependent. Fully expect he’s now genuinely one of the best staying chasers around and if NTD rates him better than Imperial Commander that’s good enough for me
 
Don't know what to think of that race. I still think might bite would be better suited to the Ryanair. But to be fair he won a real slog.
 
Hmm good performance on the face of it, but not sure I want to back him for the Gold Cup after that. I'll watch the old Lexus very closely, Sizing John or Yorkhill coming off the pace like Double Shuffle and Tea for Two surely would have caught him.

Makes me want to back Yorkhill if anything, Might Bite provides him with the perfect hare to aim at.
 
Afternoon, dont usualy post but a keen reader. I was fairly pleased with might bite performance, not ideal conditions at all and still beat some decent yardsticks on theyre preferred ground. Jumped well and with conditions to suit come march, just dont go to the whip too early
 
Happy with MB performance there, i had a feeling him and BDM maybe went a fraction too quick which allowed the ones from behind to get closer than they should have? Interesting that BDMcl couldnt keep up the gallop although he did make a blunder of one down the back
 
Clears up Fox Norton's target. Faaaar too much made of Sizing John last year... Tizzard before the race seemed to be suggesting other great 2 Miller's gave stepped up and done well at staying trips....HUGE difference is Fox Norton has never been a great 2 miler. He's just about passable as "good."
 
Afternoon, dont usualy post but a keen reader. I was fairly pleased with might bite performance, not ideal conditions at all and still beat some decent yardsticks on theyre preferred ground. Jumped well and with conditions to suit come march, just dont go to the whip too early

I thought we were going to be looking at a 10L win so tyre actual winning distance was on the face of it disappointing ... however I think the ground would bring out some improvement.

Personally very pleased he won today for my bets (and also some that roll on to Cheltenham) ... although in terms of Gold Cup ... the "idling" would have to be a worry! I think he's guaranteed to play a huge role in the Gold Cup but almost as sure he's going to do something unorthodox in the final 3f that day!

BDM also put firmly in his pace in my opinion. Not a horse I'd baked for the Gold Cup and wouldn't bother with unless it was heavy on the day, possibly.
 
I think Might bite did that very nicely today, And I'm happy to have him as my No 1 gold cup horse . he's a beautiful looking
Horse . I think the only horse to challenge him in the G.C will be Sizing john. !!.
 
I thought we were going to be looking at a 10L win so tyre actual winning distance was on the face of it disappointing ... however I think the ground would bring out some improvement.

Personally very pleased he won today for my bets (and also some that roll on to Cheltenham) ... although in terms of Gold Cup ... the "idling" would have to be a worry! I think he's guaranteed to play a huge role in the Gold Cup but almost as sure he's going to do something unorthodox in the final 3f that day!

BDM also put firmly in his pace in my opinion. Not a horse I'd baked for the Gold Cup and wouldn't bother with unless it was heavy on the day, possibly.

Yeh I agree his idling is abit worrying but it may just be that he wants a horse upsides him for him to pull out more. The only time one passed him was Whisper in the RSA and look how battled back there. Certainly think Nico should be just sitting in behind the front 2/3 and then come with a late challenge at the last... Any earlier and it could become a very long uphill after the last for MB. Still very much retain faith in my 5pt EW double with MB at 9s and Footpad at 8s though :very_drunk:
 
Think the picture of this race is a lot clearer after today. Bristol De Mai hasn’t improved as I’d thought, and when Might Bite went past I him I was expecting him to put the race to bed more impressively than he did. I accept the idling but still think someone from Ireland will stay on past him up the hill over 3m 2. Disko, Coney Island and Yorkhill the 3 that would interest me most
 
Clears up Fox Norton's target. Faaaar too much made of Sizing John last year... Tizzard before the race seemed to be suggesting other great 2 Miller's gave stepped up and done well at staying trips....HUGE difference is Fox Norton has never been a great 2 miler. He's just about passable as "good."

Judging fox norton on today's run is a dangerous game. The one to beat in the Ryanair, no doubt.
 
I think Might bite did that very nicely today, And I'm happy to have him as my No 1 gold cup horse . he's a beautiful looking
. I think the only horse to challenge him in the G.C will be Sizing john. !!.
I agree with you and happy to have Might Bite and Sizing John onside. Might Bite still 6/1 at pp.
Fox Norton never got into it and will drop down to he Ryanair distance you would think.