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November ‘25 Yankee

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Thanks to @RufusFlynn posting the October Yankee, we can now move onto the November discussion with @somer1 agreeing to decide the final selections.

Should be plenty to go on as the season starts to pick up, not forgetting @Durham Edition will captain the December effort.
 
…..worth noting @RufusFlynn posted the following he considered after they had strong support in Oct but never made his final selections. Be interesting if they figure much in this thread. Hopefully Mange Tout wins impressively this weekend.

Manlaga - Triumph
Mangetout - Triumph
Stayers - The Yellow Clay
Stayers - Ballyburn
Gold Cup - Lecky Watson
Gold Cup? - Gaelic Warrior
BANC - Gameofinches
 
…..not sure there’s anything to take from DR with the exception of Romeo and even with him there’s a few doubters about his trip.
 
Its early in the month but not to early to start throwing some names in and getting a few to stick. Looking at my work plan for Nov im off on Sunday the 30th so will post then.
 
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…..maybe get one onboard for TH with a steer later in the month from @darlojim.

Looks like Kargese is going chasing, could be a popular Arkle selection if that 20-1 hangs around for a few weeks.
 
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Eggs said:
…..maybe get one onboard for TH with a steer later in the month from @darlojim.

Looks like Kargese is going chasing, could be a popular Arkle selection if that 20-1 hangs around for a few weeks.
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Where was this Kargese news?
 
From the way Paddy spoke, it definitely weren't done and dusted.

More that he thinks she'd be a great chaser

I do have a feeling that will be the way they lean to though.
 
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I'm keen to get on board with the Kargese hype but I do have some reservations.
She may only be 5 (rising 6) but she's had 11 hurdle races, all hurdlers can improve for a fence but I just wonder whether her ceiling is as high as people think, I can't remember an Arkle winner that had so many hurdle runs.
Ignoring her debut run for Mullins and her reappearance at Ascot when she may well have been undercooked, all her UK/Ireland defeats have all come in graded company against the boys, albeit by three of the best yardsticks around in State Man, Majborough and Sir Gino.
When I look at the comparative cases for Kopek, after three hurdle runs his best RPR was 160, Kargese's best was 113 (from France) and in her subsequent eight hurdle runs in Ireland/UK her best RPR came in defeat at Punchestown with 152, you have to assume Kopek has the greater potential for improvement ?
20/1 is still tempting and I may well decide to bite the bullet but right now I'm not convinced...
 
darlojim said:
From the way Paddy spoke, it definitely weren't done and dusted.

More that he thinks she'd be a great chaser

I do have a feeling that will be the way they lean to though.
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I want her to have a crack at the Champion Hurdle.

I think she'd have a chance getting 7lbs IF she can learn to contain herself early on in the race.
 
Istabraq said:
I'm keen to get on board with the Kargese hype but I do have some reservations.
She may only be 5 (rising 6) but she's had 11 hurdle races, all hurdlers can improve for a fence but I just wonder whether her ceiling is as high as people think, I can't remember an Arkle winner that had so many hurdle runs.
Ignoring her debut run for Mullins and her reappearance at Ascot when she may well have been undercooked, all her UK/Ireland defeats have all come in graded company against the boys, albeit by three of the best yardsticks around in State Man, Majborough and Sir Gino.
When I look at the comparative cases for Kopek, after three hurdle runs his best RPR was 160, Kargese's best was 113 (from France) and in her subsequent eight hurdle runs in Ireland/UK her best RPR came in defeat at Punchestown with 152, you have to assume Kopek has the greater potential for improvement ?
20/1 is still tempting and I may well decide to bite the bullet but right now I'm not convinced...
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Interesting point, not one I’d thought about, but you could well be right Ista…,.Marlborough didn’t have that many runs before the Arkle did he, yet maybe he was a different stature of a horse? Bigger horses = less racing when young, learning their trade?

Kopeck most certainly looked a chaser in statue and hurdling last year and the consensus is he may well improve for a fence and I think we are all looking forward to seeing his first start

Kargese maybe though doesn’t need to improve that much at all over fences based upon her mares allowance and just needs to be able to jump at speed?

I think she has more chance in the Arkle than she does in either the CH or Mares Hurdle, so fingers crossed her schooling goes well😀
 
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Kargese maybe though doesn’t need to improve that much at all over fences based upon her mares allowance and just needs to be able to jump at speed?
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I think the issue for me is that she is already an inferior hurdler than Kopek (by more than the mares allowance) despite having seven more hurdle runs and therefore seven more opportunities to improve, if Kopek was to stay hurdling this season (even running 2/3/4 times and not the seven to make it an easier comparison) he would likely win open G1s and record RPR's in the high 160s possibly higher, which would make him a much better hurdler than Kargese, what either do over a fence is guesswork but for me the bigger potential is with the gelding....
 
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Istabraq said:
I think the issue for me is that she is already an inferior hurdler than Kopek (by more than the mares allowance) despite having seven more hurdle runs and therefore seven more opportunities to improve, if Kopek was to stay hurdling this season (even running 2/3/4 times and not the seven to make it an easier comparison) he would likely win open G1s and record RPR's in the high 160s possibly higher, which would make him a much better hurdler than Kargese, what either do over a fence is guesswork but for me the bigger potential is with the gelding....
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Patrick mentioned yesterday that Townend was Very Happy with Kopeks first Schooling done last week.

Surprised the bookies haven’t cut him further off that comment 😆
 
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….we already have KDB (Arkle) in 3 of our monthly Yankees, he’s now a best 7/2.

Nothing to stop us including again, going for another option or leaving the race alone now.
 
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….we already have KDB (Arkle) in 3 of our monthly Yankees, he’s now a best 7/2.

Nothing to stop us including again, going for another option or leaving the race alone now.
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Yeah this was probably a better discussion for the nov chase thread…
 
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….we already have KDB (Arkle) in 3 of our monthly Yankees, he’s now a best 7/2.

Nothing to stop us including again, going for another option or leaving the race alone now.
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Great if he wins but if he's beat or doesn't run in the race then that's 21 bets down straight off
 
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Istabraq said:
I'm keen to get on board with the Kargese hype but I do have some reservations.
She may only be 5 (rising 6) but she's had 11 hurdle races, all hurdlers can improve for a fence but I just wonder whether her ceiling is as high as people think, I can't remember an Arkle winner that had so many hurdle runs.
Ignoring her debut run for Mullins and her reappearance at Ascot when she may well have been undercooked, all her UK/Ireland defeats have all come in graded company against the boys, albeit by three of the best yardsticks around in State Man, Majborough and Sir Gino.
When I look at the comparative cases for Kopek, after three hurdle runs his best RPR was 160, Kargese's best was 113 (from France) and in her subsequent eight hurdle runs in Ireland/UK her best RPR came in defeat at Punchestown with 152, you have to assume Kopek has the greater potential for improvement ?
20/1 is still tempting and I may well decide to bite the bullet but right now I'm not convinced...
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I'll forgive your memory due to the age element 😊
But not being able to remember an arkle winner with so many runs is not that far back.
It could actual be considered a positive trend.

Gaelic Warrior had 9 I think
Edwardstone had 9 or 10
Footpad 15+

Might be others, but all the above improved at least 10lb or so for fencing.
Mainly cos chasers are higher rated in general of course.

I get the overall sentiment though (y)
 
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Great if he wins but if he's beat or doesn't run in the race then that's 21 bets down straight off
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Yeah, something niggly about him for me, at the prices. Say he jumps fences like he jumped hurdles, which we could say about them all, but the rest, with Lulamba aside, are not as short as he is, nor are they included in 3 Yankees already!

Romeo Coolio jumped absolutely fine (of what he had to jump), so that's already a tick in a box, and probably represents some value, still being double figures.
 
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Yeah, something niggly about him for me, at the prices. Say he jumps fences like he jumped hurdles, which we could say about them all, but the rest, with Lulamba aside, are not as short as he is, nor are they included in 3 Yankees already!

Romeo Coolio jumped absolutely fine (of what he had to jump), so that's already a tick in a box, and probably represents some value, still being double figures.
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Agree. Also, that was a desperate run and Punchestown which you'd like to put down to long season and all that but....
 
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