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2017 Cheltenham JLT

WP is ground dependant isn't he? No real reason making Polit much shorter?
 
Yorkhill wins. Just put him in your accas with Harry and VVM.
 
You seem fairly certain Archie - have you heard any recent reports on him. I wish Charbel was going here - hopefully they'll see sense and change their minds.
 
No inside knowledge, FM, just that he's been called their best chance for several months. I refer you to last year when he thrashed Yanworth who has a decent CH chance. Nothing of that calibre here so his only danger is concentration. Should be odds on for me.
 
Personally, I don't like the way he jumps out to his left. I've been against him all season but do have him in a small number of multiples as insurance.
 
I would expect Ruby is not looking forward to Yorkhill.

Big expectation on a mule. Yanworth is another dodgepot imo.
 
I see Yorkhill as either very thick or very bright. Either way, he only jumps left when he has too much time to think about it and it's not an insurmountable handicap at Cheltenham*

* see V = Vautour who would have been favourite for the Gold Cup if he'd survived.
 
I think Yorkhill is a ridiculous price. His jumping is a big concern and the fact that he isn't the easiest to settle might well make stamina another issue. He might well be all over the place. Un De Sceaux isn't going to win and this one should make a nice double for the layers.

It appears Walsh owns the rail in Ireland. It will be up to the other jocks to make sure he doesn't get such an easy ride at the Festival.
 
kinloch brae said:
I think Yorkhill is a ridiculous price. His jumping is a big concern and the fact that he isn't the easiest to settle might well make stamina another issue. He might well be all over the place. Un De Sceaux isn't going to win and this one should make a nice double for the layers.

It appears Walsh owns the rail in Ireland. It will be up to the other jocks to make sure he doesn't get such an easy ride at the Festival.
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Surely if the thing is going to jump left you want to let him have the rail rather than jump across you?
 
kinloch brae said:
I think Yorkhill is a ridiculous price. His jumping is a big concern and the fact that he isn't the easiest to settle might well make stamina another issue. He might well be all over the place. Un De Sceaux isn't going to win and this one should make a nice double for the layers.

It appears Walsh owns the rail in Ireland. It will be up to the other jocks to make sure he doesn't get such an easy ride at the Festival.
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Which jockey out of Jacob, Cooper, STD and NdB is going to be removing Ruby from the position he wants to be in? It was up to the other jocks in all the other races Ruby has been 'allowed' to dominate, race after race, year after year.

If he owns the rail anywhere, it is Cheltenham. The field isn't big enough to cause a problem anyway.

I can't see Yorkhill beaten if he completes the course. I can see UDS beaten if he completes the course. :devilish:
 
Kevloaf said:
Which jockey out of Jacob, Cooper, STD and NdB is going to be removing Ruby from the position he wants to be in? It was up to the other jocks in all the other races Ruby has been 'allowed' to dominate, race after race, year after year.

If he owns the rail anywhere, it is Cheltenham. The field isn't big enough to cause a problem anyway.

I can't see Yorkhill beaten if he completes the course. I can see UDS beaten if he completes the course. :devilish:
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I would agree it is disappointing that the other jocks haven't done more in the past but plenty of Walsh's winners have had plenty in hand and were far less fragile talents than Yorkhill.

You are a supporter and even you have doubts about him completing? In my opinion at that sort of price jumping shouldn't be such an issue.
 
kinloch brae said:
I would agree it is disappointing that the other jocks haven't done more in the past but plenty of Walsh's winners have had plenty in hand and were far less fragile talents than Yorkhill.

You are a supporter and even you have doubts about him completing? In my opinion at that sort of price jumping shouldn't be such an issue.
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I didn't say I had doubts, I said if he completes he won't be beaten. I think the same about Douvan and Altior - and I am not on at 6/4 or anything close to that :p

I don't think Yorkhill is as good as either of those, I just don't think the opposition are good enough to stop him. Certainly wouldn't want the field at 4/6?!

I like little Top Notch, but he only has beaten horses that are going for handicaps (Sizing Codelco, Baron Alco, Le Prezien, Romain De Senam) ... fair enough he beat them, but not with loads in hand. If those turned up in the JLT they'd be big outsiders. IF he is the best of "the field" at 4/6, I think you're brave - or banking on a fall - which isn't an enjoyable way to bet imo
 
Kevloaf said:
I didn't say I had doubts, I said if he completes he won't be beaten. I think the same about Douvan and Altior - and I am not on at 6/4 or anything close to that :p

I don't think Yorkhill is as good as either of those, I just don't think the opposition are good enough to stop him. Certainly wouldn't want the field at 4/6?!

I like little Top Notch, but he only has beaten horses that are going for handicaps (Sizing Codelco, Baron Alco, Le Prezien, Romain De Senam) ... fair enough he beat them, but not with loads in hand. If those turned up in the JLT they'd be big outsiders. IF he is the best of "the field" at 4/6, I think you're brave - or banking on a fall - which isn't an enjoyable way to bet imo
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I backed both Clan Des Obeaux (I know, dreadful) and Coney Island so those have gone west. Case of waiting to the day and maybe leave the race alone.

I think some horses can find a way to get beat irrespective of the opposition. In my view Yorkhill isn't even remotely a safe proposition. Nobody wants to see any horse fall but it is something a punter has to take into consideration.

I wouldn't argue that Top Notch had loads in hand but I wouldn't argue that Yorkhill had loads in hand of Jett either. It is a case of make up your own mind because Walsh isn't going to give out a negative spin. Personally, I thought he was nudging him out and not a lot was happening. He certainly wasn't careering away on the bridle.
 
Watching Yorkhill after racing today - I wouldn't want to have a sizeable bet at 6/4. Absolutely hates jumping fences, having a jockey on his back, being in front, being near horses, settling, going straight .... :very_drunk:
 
Admittedly Yorkhill is mental, Ruby couldn't hold on to him when he got alongside other horses, this is a good sign, but he will need the best tactical ride off Ruby come the day, probably hold him up and scoot on clear just like the Neptune, assuming of course he stays up, though nothing to suggest he would fall, still hasn't in his career (except 1 PTP race, but not under rules) no matter how unorthodox he may look, and as pointed out on ATR he actually got in short to a couple and corrected himself which is a positive sign, all in all I certainly wouldn't be and am not worried.
 
Purely a personal view that Yorkhill gets bored and loses concentration easily. The wayward behaviour only seems to happen when he's unchallenged. It will be Ruby's job to keep him interested because he is much the best horse in the field.
 
Im surprised at the negativity about that gallop myself. Hes still very inexperienced and that showed for the first three, but after that he looked superb. A natural. And the faster they went the better he got.
 
The only people defending that gallop have obviously backed him and are desperately looking through rose-tinted. It was a shocker and this in a stroll with just two other horses. He ran away even before they started. He is the most high profile screwball by a distance.

It isn't just a case of jumping round (and that is going to be difficult enough) because if he does hit the front there may be very little petrol left in the tank. He is by no means certain to see it out.
 
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