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Champion Bumper ‘25

darlojim said:
I'm shocked so many followed Rubys words on Copa being bet of the week. I mean cmon, think about it:cower: he's putting up a bumper horse as his best of the week, the bookies will have made an absolute fortune off those words for so little. Be no shock to see you'll get a price about Copacabana now on the day I suspect.

He did the same about a double green horse for the mares novice i think a couple year back on the PP preview, everyone jumped on and then the horse didn't even run.
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Yeah, wasn't one for me, albeit the price had gone anyway.

Wouldn't surprise me if he's held back for one of the other festival bumpers though.
 
Kalypso at 4th favourite and a decent each way price for multiples might be a bet, albeit I've said I can't be bothered with this race anymore. He's got the best form and seems to have a nice turn of foot. Gameofinches obviously looked good, but a quick turnaround for a horse that's reportedly had issues. Doubt we'll see him over hurdles and probably one we will see straight over fences next year, which would be interesting as the owner part owns Final Demand and they both look similar enough types.

Looks like it will be a full field. How are horses balloted out in this - a draw, ratings or something else?
 
DenmanSacre said:
Kalypso at 4th favourite and a decent each way price for multiples might be a bet, albeit I've said I can't be bothered with this race anymore. He's got the best form and seems to have a nice turn of foot. Gameofinches obviously looked good, but a quick turnaround for a horse that's reportedly had issues. Doubt we'll see him over hurdles and probably one we will see straight over fences next year, which would be interesting as the owner part owns Final Demand and they both look similar enough types.

Looks like it will be a full field. How are horses balloted out in this - a draw, ratings or something else?
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You'd imagine gameofinches for the arkle, final demand for the banc, assuming both jump about as well as each other, and both are actually good enough.

It's nice to get a head start on 2026 bingo before the 2025 festival has happened :biggrin-new:
 
darlojim said:
I'm shocked so many followed Rubys words on Copa being bet of the week. I mean cmon, think about it:cower: he's putting up a bumper horse as his best of the week, the bookies will have made an absolute fortune off those words for so little. Be no shock to see you'll get a price about Copacabana now on the day I suspect.

He did the same about a double green horse for the mares novice i think a couple year back on the PP preview, everyone jumped on and then the horse didn't even run.
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100%.
The yard is a closed shop, very little leaks from there unless it's what they want leaked, for Ruby to volunteer his pick was either nonsense or designed entirely to put everyone away.
Copacabana could easily be 10s on the day....
 
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riccirich said:
You'd imagine gameofinches for the arkle, final demand for the banc, assuming both jump about as well as each other, and both are actually good enough.

It's nice to get a head start on 2026 bingo before the 2025 festival has happened :biggrin-new:
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I'll find the quote but there was a comment about going chasing because hurdles wouldn't be an advantage at the horse's age.
 
riccirich said:
You'd imagine gameofinches for the arkle, final demand for the banc, assuming both jump about as well as each other, and both are actually good enough.

It's nice to get a head start on 2026 bingo before the 2025 festival has happened :biggrin-new:
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….PP, 25-1 CB/Ark
 
darlojim said:
Yepp thats the one mate

Got to be so careful with some of the stuff he says
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I'd add him, as with Patrick, to the ignore list. That yard, while undoubtedly being top of the tree, leave me with a lot of suspect behaviour, none of which is ever called out. No doubt we'll get some gems during this preview circuit round.

Just for some of the younger readers here. DO NOT GET SUCKED INTO WHATEVER YOU HEAR DURING THE PREVIEW CIRCUIT. THEY ARE JUST ENTERTAINMENT. (The Spectre one excepted, of course).
 
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Eggs said:
….PP, 25-1 CB/Ark
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Yeah I seen that, awful price imo.

If he wins the bumper, he could go arkle, banc, or be a mid trip type that willie will throw a strop over again and skip the festival altogether. Or they could decide to go over hurdles in the end if they feel him and final demand would be taking the same novice chase route. Too much uncertainty.

Even though I probably don't fancy her as much, id be far more likely to take the 40/1 on bambino fever bumper + mares novice. At least if she wins youd know its very likely she'd be going there, and she'd be a very short price for it.
 
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Different races but it terms of 2025 & 2026 Festival doubles, I quite like the 40-1 about East India Dock for the 2025 Triumph Hurdle & 2026 Champion Hurdle. At 9-4 for the Triumph, I make that about 11.6-1 for next year's Champion Hurdle, if he's already won this year's Triumph.

Yes it's the "difficult 5 year old season" but I'm thinking his slick hurdling technique means there's no need to send him over fences so it looks decent to me.

Price is with PP/BFSB
 
Irish Rugby said:
I'd add him, as with Patrick, to the ignore list. That yard, while undoubtedly being top of the tree, leave me with a lot of suspect behaviour, none of which is ever called out. No doubt we'll get some gems during this preview circuit round.

Just for some of the younger readers here. DO NOT GET SUCKED INTO WHATEVER YOU HEAR DURING THE PREVIEW CIRCUIT. THEY ARE JUST ENTERTAINMENT. (The Spectre one excepted, of course).
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Amen to that
 
The one note I’d add to the bumper thread, is that experience is usually a huge advantage. Jalon d’oudaries should not be underestimated
 
Imperial Commander said:
Different races but it terms of 2025 & 2026 Festival doubles, I quite like the 40-1 about East India Dock for the 2025 Triumph Hurdle & 2026 Champion Hurdle. At 9-4 for the Triumph, I make that about 11.6-1 for next year's Champion Hurdle, if he's already won this year's Triumph.

Yes it's the "difficult 5 year old season" but I'm thinking his slick hurdling technique means there's no need to send him over fences so it looks decent to me.

Price is with PP/BFSB
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I couldn't criticise anyone for throwing a 40/1 dart but if, as your calculations suggest, he's just shy of 12/1 for the 2026 Champion Hurdle I'd make that poor value.
Constitutiin Hill, Lossiemouth and Brighterdaysahead are three reasons I don't like it, he may not even be the best horse to contest the Triumph, throw in any stars that may come from this years novices which at this stage seem a strong bunch, then add the usual dangers of form, injury, target etc, I'm not seeing it.
I'd be interested to see a straight 2026 Champion Hurdle market, I'm not sure EID would be shorter than 16/1 right now....
 
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Istabraq said:
I couldn't criticise anyone for throwing a 40/1 dart but if, as your calculations suggest, he's just shy of 12/1 for the 2026 Champion Hurdle I'd make that poor value.
Constitutiin Hill, Lossiemouth and Brighterdaysahead are three reasons I don't like it, he may not even be the best horse to contest the Triumph, throw in any stars that may come from this years novices which at this stage seem a strong bunch, then add the usual dangers of form, injury, target etc, I'm not seeing it.
I'd be interested to see a straight 2026 Champion Hurdle market, I'm not sure EID would be shorter than 16/1 right now....
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Yes, I'd be interested to see a 2026 Champion Hurdle market too, maybe one will appear in the next week or two. Of course there are all the usual ante post dangers, as you say.

As it's a related double, the odds for the 2nd half of the bet though would be to win the Champion Hurdle having already won the Triumph Hurdle, so the odds would naturally be shorter than any Champion Hurdle odds would be now.

It's good to see the occasional Special Double price that's interests me as there aren't usually that many!
 
Imperial Commander said:
Yes, I'd be interested to see a 2026 Champion Hurdle market too, maybe one will appear in the next week or two. Of course there are all the usual ante post dangers, as you say.

As it's a related double, the odds for the 2nd half of the bet though would be to win the Champion Hurdle having already won the Triumph Hurdle, so the odds would naturally be shorter than any Champion Hurdle odds would be now.

It's good to see the occasional Special Double price that's interests me as there aren't usually that many!
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Yeah it's a shame, there was a time multiple bookies would price up the following years championship races before the upcoming renewals, just another example of how risk adverse they've become.
It's worth keeping your eyes peeled, I'd like to think something will appear soon, hopefully this side of the Triumph !
Best of luck...
 
Istabraq said:
Yeah it's a shame, there was a time multiple bookies would price up the following years championship races before the upcoming renewals, just another example of how risk adverse they've become.
It's worth keeping your eyes peeled, I'd like to think something will appear soon, hopefully this side of the Triumph !
Best of luck...
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We normally see at least one bookies with next years prices but if I remember rightly it's usually the week before the festival. I have a few in mind that I would like to see the prices of ASAP.
 
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punterorplonker said:
Backed windbeneath this morning.. Hoping the form gets franked in the next.
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Which begs the question now.. Precious metal.... She said he might be to young for the festival. She hasn't said anything more since the race has she about Cheltenham??
 
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