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HoldenTheReins said:
BOG and free bets are getting reduced to the point we won't get any.
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In fairness they didn’t exist 20+ years ago.
There has been a strong trend towards extra places in recent years, maybe this is the direction of travel.
Is the regulator issuing any guidance on this ? I know free bets were seen as enticement so maybe that’s why they’re slowly getting pulled ?
 
Istabraq said:
In fairness they didn’t exist 20+ years ago.
There has been a strong trend towards extra places in recent years, maybe this is the direction of travel.
Is the regulator issuing any guidance on this ? I know free bets were seen as enticement so maybe that’s why they’re slowly getting pulled ?
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Possibly, also with the extra places you don't get BOG on most bookies now.
 
Istabraq said:
In fairness they didn’t exist 20+ years ago.
There has been a strong trend towards extra places in recent years, maybe this is the direction of travel.
Is the regulator issuing any guidance on this ? I know free bets were seen as enticement so maybe that’s why they’re slowly getting pulled ?
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I dont even look at BOG, to be honest, I either like a price and take it, or don't like it and leave it.

So, if it went, and something remained instead of it (extra places, or the odd free bet) then I wouldnt be affected.

Also I appear to be playing later into markets, and on the day now, so if that fell into BOG I may have it without knowing, but it hasnt impacted my price

That and betting mostly antepost probably means this is why I dont look for (or notice) BOG, I suppose.

Im sure lots of folk want it though, so they dont feel like they've lost out, on a price move.
 
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Saxon Warrior said:
I dont even look at BOG, to be honest, I either like a price and take it, or don't like it and leave it.

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And the irony of course is that if you bet with a bookie who are top priced and/or you beat the SP then your account is on borrowed time anyway,
The exchanges aren't an option early in the day either as the place markets generally only mature shortly before the race.
I now bet mainly in shops where you do get occasional extra places on certain races and Hills were offering BOG on singles at Ascot a couple of weeks ago, but when you find a nice 20/1 shot at 9am and don't get to a shop until midday and your pick is 9/1 you just have to live with it, no point getting upset, there's very little you can do to improve chances of getting better value.

It has never been harder getting a bet on in this country...
 
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Istabraq said:
In fairness they didn’t exist 20+ years ago.
There has been a strong trend towards extra places in recent years, maybe this is the direction of travel.
Is the regulator issuing any guidance on this ? I know free bets were seen as enticement so maybe that’s why they’re slowly getting pulled ?
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I have a few accounts, each opened when there was a decent new customer offer (usually in the run up to Cheltenham). Genuinely free bets are thin on the ground, usually a generous ?1 from Ladbrokes! There are still quite a few who offer so-called free bets if you bet a certain amount. If I was the regulator I would tell the bookies to stop using this inaccurate phrase - something like 'bet credits' would be more accurate. Even that doesn't make it clear to newer punters that the 'free' bet is different from a cash bet, as you don't get your stake included in your winnings. With most bookies there is also an expiry date on use of the 'free bet', which is clearly an incentive to gamble more than you might do normally.

Another iffy practice is the promotion of free spins on slots. This happens a lot even though I have never wagered a penny on this rubbish. I'm happy enough to use these offers over my morning cuppa. A zero return is no loss and small returns can add up over time - "mony a mickle makes a muckle" * as we say north of the border. A princely ?3.47 from Hills today :smug:. Obviously the strategy is to draw in punters to these daft games. If I was the regulator I would tell the bookies to stop doing this.

* Apparently there is a debate about whether or not this is a corruption of the original adage.
 
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Lostinleith said:
I have a few accounts, each opened when there was a decent new customer offer (usually in the run up to Cheltenham). Genuinely free bets are thin on the ground, usually a generous ?1 from Ladbrokes! There are still quite a few who offer so-called free bets if you bet a certain amount. If I was the regulator I would tell the bookies to stop using this inaccurate phrase - something like 'bet credits' would be more accurate. Even that doesn't make it clear to newer punters that the 'free' bet is different from a cash bet, as you don't get your stake included in your winnings. With most bookies there is also an expiry date on use of the 'free bet', which is clearly an incentive to gamble more than you might do normally.

Another iffy practice is the promotion of free spins on slots. This happens a lot even though I have never wagered a penny on this rubbish. I'm happy enough to use these offers over my morning cuppa. A zero return is no loss and small returns can add up over time - "mony a mickle makes a muckle" * as we say north of the border. A princely ?3.47 from Hills today :smug:. Obviously the strategy is to draw in punters to these daft games. If I was the regulator I would tell the bookies to stop doing this.

* Apparently there is a debate about whether or not this is a corruption of the original adage.
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I had an email off hills earlier saying that after a review of my account i would no longer be eligible for their gaming offers or promotions, I've only ever used the 5 free spins they give you and never wagered my own cash so not a big deal, maybe they've realised they can't entice me onto the slots and have now given up trying ! :welcoming:
 
Ice said:
I had an email off hills earlier saying that after a review of my account i would no longer be eligible for their gaming offers or promotions, I've only ever used the 5 free spins they give you and never wagered my own cash so not a big deal, maybe they've realised they can't entice me onto the slots and have now given up trying ! :welcoming:
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Interesting! There was actually one time I was pissed and spent a quid by mistake so maybe they think I am still a customer who can be reeled in :courage:
 
Ice said:
I had an email off hills earlier saying that after a review of my account i would no longer be eligible for their gaming offers or promotions, I've only ever used the 5 free spins they give you and never wagered my own cash so not a big deal, maybe they've realised they can't entice me onto the slots and have now given up trying ! :welcoming:
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I would say that you’re spot on there :encouragement:
 
Lostinleith said:
Interesting! There was actually one time I was pissed and spent a quid by mistake so maybe they think I am still a customer who can be reeled in :courage:
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:excitement: I've just started doing these and already done this same thing. Once the 5 free (10p) spins end and you're straight into ?1 real spins. Easy mistake when you're not concentrating!

I seem to usually get 5 free spins from the 'daily bonus drop' and then every couple of days seems to be another 5 free spins on the main page. Going to try to do it every day this week and see how long I keep getting the offer for...
 
archie said:
The casino sites should be completely separated by licence from the betting sites with a different login.
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Yeah

Theyre naff all to do with Sports Betting.

Appear to have turned Sports betting into an entry gateway into casino gambling

From the outside looking in, it could appear to resemble - using an alcopop to snare folk, hope they turn into an alkie and then into a shaker, then end up leaving them in the gutter, potless cos youve unexpectedly rinsed all their money away

Im sure they dont mean to do it that way, and theyre all marvelous firms really.:encouragement:
 
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Completely agree re the separation of casino and sports betting but just to add some context to that, how many more people would see account restrictions/terminations if bookies thought there was no way of recovering some of their sports losses from crack wheels/spins ?
 
Istabraq said:
Completely agree re the separation of casino and sports betting but just to add some context to that, how many more people would see account restrictions/terminations if bookies thought there was no way of recovering some of their sports losses from crack wheels/spins ?
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Its a lost world since big players got hold of bookies.
 
I saw william hill are doubling the odds on any horse up to ?5 can use it on ante post aswell

any horse, any race, twice the price its called
 
Video below was posted on Twitter of Constitution Hills P2P run and only defeat to date, footage I hadn't seen before myself and I'm sure others haven't either, sharing here as I'm sure it's of interest. Looked a decent jumper of a fence, albeit the fences look on the small side. That final fence blunder cost him. Enjoy

https://twitter.com/horsevault/status/1679204837521514496
 
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