General Chat

[JamieSensible]

If memory serves, they only started offering a cashout value reflective of current prince once NRNB was brought in.

Thanks for this, I think I'll just take my stakes back for now as the horse in question is not going to be running in the NHC if he's running in the 2miler on Saturday nthego:

 

[robith]

General rule of thumb

PP - will leave you cash out longer, but will rarely be more than your stake back
365 - more reactive to price drops, but very quick to freeze it

 

[Big Bucks]

Is anybody getting positive cashout values with Paddy Power? looking to offload Banbridge for the NHC, and even though he's 14/1 from 20/1 which I backed at, and the multiples have also shortened I'm only being offered my original stake.

had a similar situation last year but it would fluctuate, some days you had positive values and others just original stakes very odd.

Louisemouth and Cougar I have positive cashouts for. Dunno if it's too do with same race or just random! As have other horses in different races way shorter than price I took but just stake can cash for.

 

[Lobos]

With the amount of top festival horses running this weekend, I reckon those cash out buttons will be going full pelt ! Lots of dreams will be broken and hopefully a few will still be intact.

 

[OffTheBridle]

Anyone sign up to Gavin Lynchs videos subscription? I know its early but ..If so, are the videos any good and are they worth the price??

 

[Zachx02]

Looks like talksport have opening their own sportsbook called talksportbet and it has cheltenham antepost on it, another option for those with restricted accounts elsewhere I suppose

 

[FinalFurlong91]

Looks like talksport have opening their own sportsbook called talksportbet and it has cheltenham antepost on it, another option for those with restricted accounts elsewhere I suppose

Looks like it's a betvictor owned site, I'm assuming that's what the operator BV gaming is

 

[FinalFurlong91]

Anyone sign up to Gavin Lynchs videos subscription? I know its early but ..If so, are the videos any good and are they worth the price??

This site is free and the information is immediate and better is all I'd say hahaha (someone who has paid for his stuff please feel free to correct me)

 

[OffTheBridle]

This site is free and the information is immediate and better is all I'd say hahaha (someone who has paid for his stuff please feel free to correct me)

Haha this is my view as well and exactly why I haven't signed up

 

[charlie]

Haha this is my view as well and exactly why I haven't signed up

You'll find this place far more valuable than GL IMO. The fact he tipped up the current fav for a handicap at this time of year is enough to put me off. He did that last year on UTA, trying to find the boodles winner in November - it's hard enough on the day, and now he's having a crack at the pertemps ffs. A lot of good tipsters (which I consider him one) adjust their approach when they start to charge for tips and it often goes to complete shit because they deviate from whats made them profitable in the first place. I hope that doesnt happen to Gavin.

 

[Saxon Warrior]

Is anybody getting positive cashout values with Paddy Power? looking to offload Banbridge for the NHC, and even though he's 14/1 from 20/1 which I backed at, and the multiples have also shortened I'm only being offered my original stake.

had a similar situation last year but it would fluctuate, some days you had positive values and others just original stakes very odd.

Later evenings they tend to all revert back to par cashouts.

The next morning those that have shortened a fair bit, revert back to cashouts with an extra sum.

 

[Odin]

You'll find this place far more valuable than GL IMO. The fact he tipped up the current fav for a handicap at this time of year is enough to put me off. He did that last year on UTA, trying to find the boodles winner in November - it's hard enough on the day, and now he's having a crack at the pertemps ffs. A lot of good tipsters (which I consider him one) adjust their approach when they start to charge for tips and it often goes to complete shit because they deviate from whats made them profitable in the first place. I hope that doesnt happen to Gavin.

I'll add the disclaimer that I was already considering backing Shoot First before GL tipped him but hadn't got around to fully deciding but I think you're being a bit harsh here Charlie...

The case for Shoot First actually fits a lot of what I perceive to be your key points...

CD form, albeit old course rather than the new they run on in March I think
Guaranteed target and won't run before then
BHA Performance Rating of 137 guaranteeing lovely weight at the festival
Trainer is a master with handicap plots (or past master, no reason why he can't have a renaissance)
Horse was already on GL's list as one to follow before the Pertemps Qualifier
Only 4 qualifiers from each race for Pertemps meaning a smaller pool of potential flyers to beat him

I agree this place is more valuable for Cheltenham and that trying to find the Boodles winner in November last year was ridiculous, but for me, the conditions of the Pertemps this year make it almost as attractive as novice hurdles/chases for betting, except that we already know if the horse can jump/run over CD or not and there's no Mullins Bingo! I don't think it's a bad tip, albeit it's nothing mindblowing

 

[charlie]

I'll add the disclaimer that I was already considering backing Shoot First before GL tipped him but hadn't got around to fully deciding but I think you're being a bit harsh here Charlie...

The case for Shoot First actually fits a lot of what I perceive to be your key points...

CD form, albeit old course rather than the new they run on in March I think
Guaranteed target and won't run before then
BHA Performance Rating of 137 guaranteeing lovely weight at the festival
Trainer is a master with handicap plots (or past master, no reason why he can't have a renaissance)
Horse was already on GL's list as one to follow before the Pertemps Qualifier
Only 4 qualifiers from each race for Pertemps meaning a smaller pool of potential flyers to beat him

I agree this place is more valuable for Cheltenham and that trying to find the Boodles winner in November last year was ridiculous, but for me, the conditions of the Pertemps this year make it almost as attractive as novice hurdles/chases for betting, except that we already know if the horse can jump/run over CD or not and there's no Mullins Bingo! I don't think it's a bad tip, albeit it's nothing mindblowing

My gripe has nothing to do with the horse or the case for the horse, its to do with tipsters charging subscribers and putting up a handicap favourite at 8's or 10's in November for a race where it's exceptionally rare to see fav's shorter than 4/1. I agree with the points you make re the case, but tips like that this far out are lazy and I expect better from GL (who I really like btw) - put it this way, it doesn't have me rushing to sign up. I haven't seen his case but if like you he thinks he won't run again before March then the case for waiting becomes even stronger. I can take 10/1 now 5 months out or 5/1 the night before for double the stake and infinitely more information. Latter all day.

 

[Odin]

My gripe has nothing to do with the horse or the case for the horse, its to do with tipsters charging subscribers and putting up a handicap favourite at 8's or 10's in November for a race where it's exceptionally rare to see fav's shorter than 4/1. I agree with the points you make re the case, but tips like that this far out are lazy and I expect better from GL (who I really like btw) - put it this way, it doesn't have me rushing to sign up. I haven't seen his case but if like you he thinks he won't run again before March then the case for waiting becomes even stronger. I can take 10/1 now 5 months out or 5/1 the night before for double the stake and infinitely more information. Latter all day.

Yeah, that's fair - I misunderstood your thoughts on the original post :encouragement:

 

[Quevega]

Interesting betting on Astrophysicist in the 4-00 today.

Was backed in from 50/66's into as low as 6-1 with some firms like PP and one or 2 others.
But in the last hour has gone back out to as big as 66-1 with ladbrokes.
Not sure what it means.:bi_polo:

 

[charlie]

Interesting betting on Astrophysicist in the 4-00 today.

Was backed in from 50/66's into as low as 6-1 with some firms like PP and one or 2 others.
But in the last hour has gone back out to as big as 66-1 with ladbrokes.
Not sure what it means.:bi_polo:

It means you'll have had it right off when it wins :applouse:

 

[HesTheOne]

Interesting betting on Astrophysicist in the 4-00 today.

Was backed in from 50/66's into as low as 6-1 with some firms like PP and one or 2 others.
But in the last hour has gone back out to as big as 66-1 with ladbrokes.
Not sure what it means.:bi_polo:

Exchange graph is a funny one alright haha

 

[Rooster Booster]

Interesting betting on Astrophysicist in the 4-00 today.

Was backed in from 50/66's into as low as 6-1 with some firms like PP and one or 2 others.
But in the last hour has gone back out to as big as 66-1 with ladbrokes.
Not sure what it means.:bi_polo:

I guess if it wins it was written in the stars and if it loses then what planet were they on.

 

[Irish Rugby]

I really thought Gavin would be behind one of the novices that have come out recently such as Champ Kiely or Magical Zoe, or even Langer Dan for the Stayers, taking the view that last week's race was just a season pipe opener. In his defence, should Shoot First turn up in March, what price would he go off at?

 

[HesTheOne]

WP Mullins has an article in Irish Independent talking about this time of year and injuries to horses - nothing of major substance but a decent read.

For those like me too tight to go beyond a pay wall

if you right click the page > click inspect source > scroll down to article body (line 205 in this case) you can read all the text behind the paywall.

A useful tip for other websites that operate with a similar pay wall - always worth a try :eagerness: