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Saxon Warrior said:
Betfair and PP went 33/1, maybe as big as 40/1 for a time on Win Bumper 22 and Supreme 23 Double.

Skybet did similar for a while too.

So there could be more liabilities pre-Festival that have hampered his price post-Festival 22, with some firms.
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Can't imagine a huge amount would have done those roll ups Saxon. They are not that popular with punters. Just think bookies are very, very wary these days of any high profile horses.
 
Saxon Warrior said:
Betfair and PP went 33/1, maybe as big as 40/1 for a time on Win Bumper 22 and Supreme 23 Double.

Skybet did similar for a while too.

So there could be more liabilities pre-Festival that have hampered his price post-Festival 22, with some firms.
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Any punter clued up enough to do that double will likely only be able to get ?1.34 on with SkyBet :excitement:
 
Saxon Warrior said:
Betfair and PP went 33/1, maybe as big as 40/1 for a time on Win Bumper 22 and Supreme 23 Double.

Skybet did similar for a while too.

So there could be more liabilities pre-Festival that have hampered his price post-Festival 22, with some firms.
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I think some on here had 150/1?
 
Lobos said:
Can't imagine a huge amount would have done those roll ups Saxon. They are not that popular with punters. Just think bookies are very, very wary these days of any high profile horses.
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Those bets will be far more popular with punters than picking anything else in the supreme will be at this stage!


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Benjy23 said:
Those bets will be far more popular with punters than picking anything else in the supreme will be at this stage!


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Only a small handful would have done the Bumper/Supreme bet. Just think Bookies are terrified of the likes of FV
 
Does anyone know anything about KING OF KINGSFIELD? Bolted up in a point and now with Gigginstown & Gordon - saw he's in the Champion Bumper market at 25/1 but very little talk about him.
 
Benjy23 said:
I mean they won't have racked up 'major liabilities' on any Cheltenham horses at this stage but I'd imagine he's amongst the biggest, and is well ahead of anything else in the Supreme betting. E

Not to say he's a good price like but I don't really agree with this part. Hopefully he'll be pushed out, if we see one or two come out before him and perform well and get backed for this. Although with the way things are we'll probably just see others shorten and his price not move! :wink-new:
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To be fair I’d not thought of some of the special double prices sax mentions from before 2022 festival.

But his price has been dire since he passed the winning line in the bumper, so it is not as if he has been backed in like for example chapeau de soleil or jonbon. He might have been clipped in from a general 3/1 maybe 7/2 in places without checking oddschecker?

Personally I’d be surprised if he had been a very popular antepost selection since march, the price has just never been there to draw in the casual punter nor the more serious one imo
 
Just my five cents. I think with Willie being ever stronger and Paul Nicholls, who lest we forget, is Champion GB trainer, basically admitting Cheltenham for many of his stars is just not the priority, I'm not surprised for one minute that the bookies are running scared. There has also been an in increase in AP Cheltenham activity. Too many rocking up on the Tuesday morning and finding very short Favs on offer. They too are getting involved earlier. At the same time, Spectre is right. We have yet to see Facile Vega jump a hurdle. One fears if he comes out and remains unbeaten through Christmas, what then, EVENS for the Supreme, 10 weeks out? Each way value on the others.
 
RoadToCheltenham said:
Gordon planting the seed for Galvin to go this route in his latest quotes in the Post. Probably not this season now but never say never...

"We're going to go the same route as last year with him," said Elliott. "He'll go to the big race at Down Royal after Punchestown, and that is going to be his Gold Cup. He surprised us last year but kept on improving and ended up in a Gold Cup.

"I suppose he's the sort of horse who could end up in a cross country chase in years to come, but we're going to start him off in the big staying chases again this year.

"He looks very well and he's in great form. We're looking forward to getting him back out at Punchestown and, as I said, the race at Down Royal next month will be his Gold Cup. He's being geared towards that," added Elliott.

Given his 'Gold Cup' is going to be early November, it does give them time to switch route for the Cross Country if they want to be double handed.
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25s with Bet365
 
I think that depending on how he runs prior and during xmas.
If they then decide that the Grand National is a serious option, then the Cross country has to be a close call as a prep, rather than the Gold Cup.
Basically if they think he's got a good chance off whatever mark he's on when the weights are released for the National, I think it's more likely he takes in the Cross Country as a prep rather than the Gold cup, unless this cuts up. Gordon would find this an easy enough persuasive factor.

And he's mentioned him being a National horse all along, it just went tits up last year as he improved so much, and performed better than they probably thought in the early season graded races.
 
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Quevega said:
16-1 now :eek-new:
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Inevitable, really, Quevega

That price was mad.

Now after tomorrows prep-run his "Gold Cup" (as Gordon called it) is to take on Frodon at Down Royal in 3 weeks time (in his "Gold Cup" as Paul Nicolls calls it), plus maybe Minella Indo again, or some new kids.

The play for anyone holding big-priced slips on Galvin for the XC is that they would want him to lose at Down Royal, and in the Savills, at Christmas, prior to him being put away for Cheltenham.

He may come down a few lbs in the handicap if that has happened, and head for a main target of the Grand National, after a run in the X-C.

As cover for that hope being dashed, then its easy enough for folk with that hope, to back Galvin to win at Down Royal.
 
I believe that the Down Royal race closes tomorrow so not too long to wait to assess his chances there.
 
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Was scanning through this article on at the races, and saw that Impervious is apparently going chasing this year:
https://jumps.attheraces.com/features/the-weighing-room-weigh-in


Impervious (Brian Hayes quote)
“I’m looking forward to the Colm Murphy-trained Impervious going chasing this season; she was only beaten 7 lengths by Love Envoi at Cheltenham so if she can improve for a fence, she could be one to look forward to.” (Colm Murphy)

I know Saxon was interested in her last year, and she ran some high RPRs, albeit her Cheltenham performance was down on what she could do. I can't see her priced up anywhere, but curious if anyone else thinks she might be an EW bet in what seems like a weak division this year.
 
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Saxon Warrior said:
Inevitable, really, Quevega

That price was mad.

Now after tomorrows prep-run his "Gold Cup" (as Gordon called it) is to take on Frodon at Down Royal in 3 weeks time (in his "Gold Cup" as Paul Nicolls calls it), plus maybe Minella Indo again, or some new kids.

The play for anyone holding big-priced slips on Galvin for the XC is that they would want him to lose at Down Royal, and in the Savills, at Christmas, prior to him being put away for Cheltenham.

He may come down a few lbs in the handicap if that has happened, and head for a main target of the Grand National, after a run in the X-C.

As cover for that hope being dashed, then its easy enough for folk with that hope, to back Galvin to win at Down Royal.
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25’s still available with 365
 
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