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Dublin Racing Festival 2021

FinalFurlong91 said:
She hasn't though

Shes run once over 2 miles at a high level and jumped poorly

We arent talking about her jumping over 2m4f at a slower pace that has no bearing for saturday
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I'll just have to let the girl do the talking on Saturday. Hope she doesn't let me down ! :excitement:
 
opatcho said:
Honeysuckle will jump 1-2 slowly, but she'll be able to get away with that in this field and across this going

She'll win this
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Do you think this years field is easier than last years?
Do you think Honeysuckle was more impressive in this seasons Hatton's Grace or last seasons?

For me this years race is clearly much better, and she hasn't looked as good this year as she did last year (splitting hairs I know). Given her very narrow victory last year and seasonal debut v Ronald Pump, for me its an off-putting 11/8 shot. I don't actually think Honeysuckle will finish in the top 2.
 
charlie said:
Do you think this years field is easier than last years?
Do you think Honeysuckle was more impressive in this seasons Hatton's Grace or last seasons?

For me this years race is clearly much better, and she hasn't looked as good this year as she did last year (splitting hairs I know). Given her very narrow victory last year and seasonal debut v Ronald Pump, for me its an off-putting 11/8 shot. I don't actually think Honeysuckle will finish in the top 2.
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She had a prep last year to be fair for the HG so to compare them directly is a bit unfair.

This years field is probably stronger, but i wouldn't say by much. Sharjah will still go off 2nd fav. Aba hasn't looked tip top neither has Saint Roi.

Darver Star ran well in the Champion afterwards last year.

How is this years race clearly much better?

She's ran once lol :dejection:
 
charlie said:
Do you think this years field is easier than last years?
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I think this will be an easier race for Honeysuckle to win, and thats not necessary because of the field its become the race conditions are bang-on for Honeysuckle

1) limited pace, you have a 10 years old going off from the front on ground thats softer than last year
2) smaller field, again contributing towards #1
3) the going will suit her more than others

My biggest concern in last years renewal was that the going (yielding) would catch here out. It didnt. The going this year should be spot on

- Aba, I've think his no better than a high 150 horse. Limited scope
- Saint Roi had his chance to prove his claims LTO, and didnt have anything
- PM is becoming a decent benchmark, and has a chance of placing
- Saldier, I'd rather leave. Weak across the ICH + CH atm. Difficult to keep on brining these horses back from a long break/injury
- Sharjah needs strong pace, and is so fussy with his race conditions. Makes him difficult to get on a going day


charlie said:
Do you think Honeysuckle was more impressive in this seasons Hatton's Grace or last seasons?

For me this years race is clearly much better, and she hasn't looked as good this year as she did last year (splitting hairs I know). Given her very narrow victory last year and seasonal debut v Ronald Pump, for me its an off-putting 11/8 shot. I don't actually think Honeysuckle will finish in the top 2.
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I dont think it's 'clearly' better.

I'd say she was 4-5 lbs off her performance in last year. Why? dont know. She could have regressed, but unlikely for her age. Yard may have had her 80% fit for it, saving her for the bigger ones this side of xmas. Dunno.

Yeah, finishing a head of a 3 miler and a Beacons Edge who's been spanked recently doesnt fill me with the level confidence I had last season for her. I actually came into this race trying to get honey beat because of this. However, she won which is more I can say for some of her opposition.

- Aba, fell out the back of the tele LTO. Narrowly beat Saint Roi on his only win, the ride on Saint Roi was shocking. Has been beaten by Aspire Tower twice! and I'm sure Henry has Honeysuckle ahead of Aspire Towel at the moment
- Saint Roi, work some prep race at the start of the season (beat a 133, and two 143 who have gone nothing since). Beaten twice since by horse in this field. Struggling to see form being reversed
- PM, the warrior will run a decent race. I'm tempted to back PM w/o fav
- Saldier, starting to become of those horses now. Gamble whether he's going to come back to best
- Sharjah, better horse this year. But if your moaning about 11/8 for Honeysuckle then I'm struggling how you would be jumping on the 2/1 for Sharjah - a horse that struggles to string wins together

Dont get me wrong, Honeysuckles a picky one aswell. A dash of soft/heavy in the going, with sprinkle of weak pace will suit her well

For me, this is a match bet between Honeysuckle and Sharjah.... and out of the two I'm siding with the one are likely to go better in conditions and thats the mare
 
opatcho Excellent response - plenty for me to think about!!

The worst outcome for Honeysuckle is they go a crawl and the race turns into a sprint - I'm not sure what presses forward here as Gordon and Willie corner the market, and both will want this to turn into a sprint for their respective runners IMO.

Petit Mouchoir would normally fit the mould of a front runner but sat off the pace in the Matheson and ran a blinder, so the same tactics will probably apply. Rachel might feel she has to set her own fractions, which could cost Honeysuckle to something quicker and slicker at the business end of the race.

Henry needs to get on the blower to Aiden O'Brien re race tactics - were this a Group 1 in 6 months AOB would have some front running no hope speedster in there for the main jolly NQAT. :beguiled:
 
Anything of interest mentioned on the PP zoom previewing Dublin Fez meeting?
 
charlie said:
No French Aseel. Really annoying that
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Probably better news for French Aseel backers in my book. Longer he has to acclimatise to the yard, the better. Ruby made very interesting and valid points re horses moving yards on the preview last night.
 
Darver Star
13.00
2.10 Leopardstown (Race 3) 06/02/2021
Win and Each Way
(3 Places 1/5 Odds)

To Run

.Or Jaune De Somoza
41.00
2.45 Leopardstown (Race 4) 06/02/2021
Win and Each Way
(4 Places 1/4 Odds)

To Run

.Saint Roi
8.50
3.15 Leopardstown (Race 5) 06/02/2021
Win and Each Way
(2 Places 1/4 Odds)

To Run

.Buildmeupbuttercup
17.00
3.50 Leopardstown (Race 6) 06/02/2021
Win and Each Way
(4 Places 1/4 Odds)

To Run

.Ramillies
6.00
4.25 Leopardstown (Race 7) 06/02/2021
Win and Each Way
(3 Places 1/5 Odds)

To Run
Bet Type: E/W Lucky 31


First time I have looked forward to racing since last March.
 
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mayo said:
First time I have looked forward to racing since last March.
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This is proper stuff! I've been excited all week, just been counting down the days.
Have the whole weekend off to watch this... few beers tonight whilst taking a look at the race card, not too many though, want to be fresh for this one tomorrow :beguiled:
 
charlie said:
opatcho Excellent response - plenty for me to think about!!

The worst outcome for Honeysuckle is they go a crawl and the race turns into a sprint - I'm not sure what presses forward here as Gordon and Willie corner the market, and both will want this to turn into a sprint for their respective runners IMO.

Petit Mouchoir would normally fit the mould of a front runner but sat off the pace in the Matheson and ran a blinder, so the same tactics will probably apply. Rachel might feel she has to set her own fractions, which could cost Honeysuckle to something quicker and slicker at the business end of the race.

Henry needs to get on the blower to Aiden O'Brien re race tactics - were this a Group 1 in 6 months AOB would have some front running no hope speedster in there for the main jolly NQAT. :beguiled:
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charlie said:
opatcho Excellent response - plenty for me to think about!!

The worst outcome for Honeysuckle is they go a crawl and the race turns into a sprint - I'm not sure what presses forward here as Gordon and Willie corner the market, and both will want this to turn into a sprint for their respective runners IMO.
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Cheers. This is why I post on this forum - to obtain differently views, particularly those that challenge your own. Learn from it, learn from the result :) and then try and bet the bookies next time

I think differently here. I have always had Honeysuckle as a speed horse, one that prefers weak pace which turns into a sprint. Pretty much all of her races have been like this.

Willie has Sharjah who I believe wants strong pace throughout to get the best out of him. And Mullins has Saint Roi who was most impressive in the country, a race where they go off at strong gallop.... did he come racing up the hill, or did the rest just fall backwards.

PM is too slow nowadays to set the a ridiculous pace up front. Aspire took over those duties last time out. Honey will have no bother keeping up with PM's early pace.

I'm struggling to spot the pace angle unless Mullins decides to send Saldier forward, he has 3 compared to Henry's 1... Mullins lot need to do something different to beat her, I dont think they have the quality alone to beat her but the certainly have the numbers to do it

Good to have opposing views on this. I'm more worried about being wrong than am about Honeysuckle winning LOL
 
....Hills have an enhanced Sunday treble; Quilixios, Appreciate It & Monkfish 6-1
 
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Vanillier looks a big price tomorrow at 14/1. He has some nice form in the bag already beating Stattler and it seems like he needs a trip so maybe the flatter nature of Leopardstown and lack of the extra few furlongs will go against him but worth chancing for me
 
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