The Boodles Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

[Saxon Warrior]

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[Saxon Warrior]

Horse	Trainer	Date of Rating	Race and Type	Distance	Irish Rating	UK Rating	Difference	Runner?	Final Position
Tullybeg	Gordon Elliott	23rd October	Ballymore Trial Hurdle	2M4F	0	0	0
Galvin	Gordon Elliott	23rd October	3M Novice Chase	3M	148	152	4
Grand Roi	Gordon Elliott (tfr from Nicky H)	24th October	2M 4yo Hurdle	2M	140	140	0
Tullybeg	Gordon Elliott	24th October	3M Pertemps Qualifier	3M	0		0
Dallas Des Pictons	Gordon Elliott	24th October	3M Pertemps Qualifier	3M	144		-144
Tullybeg	Gordon Elliott	24th October	3M Novice Hurdle	3M	0		0
Streets Of Doyen	John McConnell	24th October	3M Novice Hurdle	3M	130		-130
Fakiera (novice)	Gordon Elliott	13th November	2M5F Handicap Hurdle	2M5F	0		0
Elite Trooper Grey	Gordon Elliott	11th December	2M1F Handicap Hurdle	2M1F	114	120	6
Column Of Fire	Gordon Elliott	13th December	3M Pertemps Qualifier	3M	145	148	3		Prov 148
Commander Of Fleet	Gordon Elliott	13th December	3M Pertemps Qualifier	3M	149	149	0
Duffle Coat	Gordon Elliott	12th December	2M Juvenile Hurdle	2M	0	140	140		Prov 140
Glorious Zoff	Gordon Elliott	12th December	2M Juvenile Hurdle	2M	0	131	131
Fakeira	Gordon Elliott	12th December	3M Grade 2 Novice Hurdle	3M	133	141	8
Make Good	John McConnell	12th December	3M Grade 2 Novice Hurdle	3M	131	137	6
Amor Verdadero	Gordon Elliott	12th December	2M4F Mares Hcap Hurdle	2M4F	105	113	8

Interesting that the last time John McConnell entered one at Cheltenham, Street of Doyen won well in a Class 2 Novice Hurdle.

Make Good entered in for him in the Bartlett trial on Saturday.

 

[Topofthegame2021]

Interesting that the last time John McConnell entered one at Cheltenham, Street of Doyen won well in a Class 2 Novice Hurdle.

Make Good entered in fo him in the Bartlett trial on Saturday.

This is top work Saxon. A question on the above: do you think Make Good is likely to run in the Bartlett trial or are they checking his English mark?

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Nice work, yet again Saxon Warrior :applause::applause:

 

[jonthehammer]

Top work Saxon

 

[Ray]

William hill have got a market up, ive had 22/1 on duffle coat..33/1 on glorious zoff..i hope to duffle coat get beaten if he is out at some point but i wouldnt mind seeing him put away either

 

[Saxon Warrior]

This is top work Saxon. A question on the above: do you think Make Good is likely to run in the Bartlett trial or are they checking his English mark?

He is a difficult one to work out.

Bred as a flat sprinter, ended up running and winning a staying handicap on the flat off 57 recently, before switching back to hurdles.

His three quick hurdles runs and a second to NGolo at the Galway Festival, have all been over 2M, and then this entry.

Its probably the best race to enter him in to get a UK rating.

 

[BookieBasher]

Not a great introduction to hurdles for Damage Control

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

I think it's a fatal injury:apologetic:

 

[BookieBasher]

Not a great introduction to hurdles for Damage Control

Oh shit! Didn’t look like a bad fall. Condolences to all involved if the worst news is confirmed :sorrow:

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

Oh shit! Didn’t look like a bad fall. Condolences to all involved if the worst news is confirmed :sorrow:

I watched it back and I'm almost certain it was. :apologetic:

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Ah jeez!

As ante post bets go that must have been one of the quickest misfortunes.

Condolences to connections.

 

[jonthehammer]

Betting as of 15-12-20 (Hills)

20/1
Duffle Coat

33/1
Viroflay
Hacker des Places
Overpriced Mixer
Glorious Zoff
Ilmig
First Impression
Flying Scotsman
Palm Beach

 

[PresentingPercy]

Assuming that the Boodles is Duffle Coat's target, chances are if they run him between now and the festival, he'll be well minded, to keep or reduce his mark. Would it be advisable to wait until that run and hope for the price to drift or pull the trigger now at 20s with Hills? I see no entries for him over the xmas in Ireland.

Gordon did a podcast a couple of weeks back with The Final Furlong and basically confirmed Quillixios and Zanahiyr were his best juveniles, be strange if he sent Duffle Coat to the Triumph. By the process of elimination, this should be nailed on to be DC's target...

 

[jonthehammer]

Assuming that the Boodles is Duffle Coat's target, chances are if they run him between now and the festival, he'll be well minded, to keep or reduce his mark. Would it be advisable to wait until that run and hope for the price to drift or pull the trigger now at 20s with Hills? I see no entries for him over the xmas in Ireland.

Gordon did a podcast a couple of weeks back with The Final Furlong and basically confirmed Quillixios and Zanahiyr were his best juveniles, be strange if he sent Duffle Coat to the Triumph. By the process of elimination, this should be nailed on to be DC's target...

I am thinking the same and hes a game animal, i think that race would be right up his street off this kind of mark

 

[Lobos]

Assuming that the Boodles is Duffle Coat's target, chances are if they run him between now and the festival, he'll be well minded, to keep or reduce his mark. Would it be advisable to wait until that run and hope for the price to drift or pull the trigger now at 20s with Hills? I see no entries for him over the xmas in Ireland.

Gordon did a podcast a couple of weeks back with The Final Furlong and basically confirmed Quillixios and Zanahiyr were his best juveniles, be strange if he sent Duffle Coat to the Triumph. By the process of elimination, this should be nailed on to be DC's target...

From Keith Donaghue comments it does sound as though he'll be joining Gordon's top 2 in the Triumph. He fully deserves his chance there and may well pick them both off if they cut each others throats up front and make it a proper test just like when Tiger Roll won the Triumph.

 

[PresentingPercy]

From Keith Donaghue comments it does sound as though he'll be joining Gordon's top 2 in the Triumph. He fully deserves his chance there and may well pick them both off if they cut each others throats up front and make it a proper test just like when Tiger Roll won the Triumph.

Just read his comments there, he's a classy horse which there is no doubt, but he said it himself, he's nowhere near the level of the two others in the yard. Might well be the owners call to go Triumph, don't think it will be what Elliott would recommend. They may leave it until final days declarations stage and see what the ground is like - heavy ground might be in his favour for a Triumph.

Worth noting he won the trial race in November on the old course, which is the same course The Boodles will be run on in March. Sending him for both his races in UK probably served to gage the opposition and get a fairer mark and not have the Irish tax of 4 or 5 lbs added to their Irish marks. IMO Adagio is not a great horse, I wouldn't be wild on his win last weekend, he came up against very little.

He might well run between now and March, and win, and blow his mark beyond 140 which will leave him with little option but to go for the Triumph. But I will be a layer if he runs before March. Don't think he would come within an ass's roar of Zanahiyr in the Triumph. And plenty of more juveniles yet to come from the yard, they have been talking that they are very strong handed this year in that department this season.

 

[Lobos]

Just read his comments there, he's a classy horse which there is no doubt, but he said it himself, he's nowhere near the level of the two others in the yard. Might well be the owners call to go Triumph, don't think it will be what Elliott would recommend. They may leave it until final days declarations stage and see what the ground is like - heavy ground might be in his favour for a Triumph.

Worth noting he won the trial race in November on the old course, which is the same course The Boodles will be run on in March. Sending him for both his races in UK probably served to gage the opposition and get a fairer mark and not have the Irish tax of 4 or 5 lbs added to their Irish marks. IMO Adagio is not a great horse, I wouldn't be wild on his win last weekend, he came up against very little.

He might well run between now and March, and win, and blow his mark beyond 140 which will leave him with little option but to go for the Triumph. But I will be a layer if he runs before March. Don't think he would come within an ass's roar of Zanahiyr in the Triumph. And plenty of more juveniles yet to come from the yard, they have been talking that they are very strong handed this year in that department this season.

All good points. I'd say the New Course which the Triumph is run over will suit DC even more as it's a stiffer course than the Old Course and may well eek out further improvement from him.

 

[PresentingPercy]

All good points. I'd say the New Course which the Triumph is run over will suit DC even more as it's a stiffer course than the Old Course and may well eek out further improvement from him.

Should still be a decent price NRNB for the triumph when the bookies start offering those markets, might cover myself that way just in case

 

[Lobos]

Should still be a decent price NRNB for the triumph when the bookies start offering those markets, might cover myself that way just in case

Yep, especially with the top 2 dominating the market. Similar to the Supreme where Ballyadam and Ferney will keep everything behind them at backable odds.