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Supreme Novices Hurdle 2020

Joe Chambers on Twitter (Fly Smart)...’Hopefully a nice horse and be out before the turn of the year - seems to be a talking horse for some reason ��*♂️‘
 
I’m on for the supreme but wondering whether it’s worth getting involved in the any race market? Have you seen his races Scooby? Does he shape like a 2miler or anything more?
 
The winner of the next race at Navan (12.35) has gone on to run in the Supreme.

Aramon
Mengli Khan
Labaik



Hovering over Fast Buck and Abracadabras in case of an impressive win and Latest Exhibition
 
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Jumping still needs work but clearly got a big engine has Abacadabras.
 
Abacadabras 33/1 still with Blacktype.

Was decent enough.... price still there apparently...
 
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Spoilt for choice is GE... If Malone Rd is indeed injured, Abra goes Here and EAllen Ballymore as originally thought ?
Makes sense
 
I don't think there is any way at all Envoi Allen doesn't go for the Ballymore.

There is some mad obsession at trying to re-route a horse from the Ballymore to the Supreme... can anybody explain it to me?



Taking the specific horses out of the equation.... if Horse X is your best horse, and the race you think is best for Horse X is Ballymore, then Horse X runs in the Ballymore.

The rest slot it around whatever your BEST horse is, in it's BEST race.



Over complicating things.
 
"He's probably another horse that will go to the Royal Bond in Fairyhouse now. Puppy (Power) said he was very quick getting away from his hurdles and he was very happy. We'll keep him to two miles at the moment.”

@gelliott_racing

on Abacadabras

@NavanRacecourse
 
Kevloaf said:
I don't think there is any way at all Envoi Allen doesn't go for the Ballymore.

There is some mad obsession at trying to re-route a horse from the Ballymore to the Supreme... can anybody explain it to me?



Taking the specific horses out of the equation.... if Horse X is your best horse, and the race you think is best for Horse X is Ballymore, then Horse X runs in the Ballymore.

The rest slot it around whatever your BEST horse is, in it's BEST race.



Over complicating things.
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I agree.
However, the route to cheltenham in March is the only route we know that most of these horses are on.
Who decided/said he was definitely routed towards the ballymore anyway.
and you can't say the market as that's not human.:)
 
Gordon's fav comment after every win....'Well keep him to two miles at the moment'. Impossible to read.
 
Kevloaf said:
There is some mad obsession at trying to re-route a horse from the Ballymore to the Supreme... can anybody explain it to me?
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I think ground plays a part with this, we've had some deep ground in recent years and connections become concerned about a slog over 2m 5f knowing that the Supreme will always be run at breakneck pace so even the 2 milers need stamina.
In an ideal world the ground will be good to soft with some soft places so most horses won't be inconvenienced by the ground and their targets will be known some way out....
 
Kevloaf said:
I don't think there is any way at all Envoi Allen doesn't go for the Ballymore.

There is some mad obsession at trying to re-route a horse from the Ballymore to the Supreme... can anybody explain it to me?

I don’t think the Ballymore has ever been decided upon?

Taking the specific horses out of the equation.... if Horse X is your best horse, and the race you think is best for Horse X is Ballymore, then Horse X runs in the Ballymore.

The rest slot it around whatever your BEST horse is, in it's BEST race.



Over complicating things.
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Who decided that the route was definitely the Ballymore Kev?
 
Lobos said:
Gordon's fav comment after every win....'Well keep him to two miles at the moment'. Impossible to read.
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And the more they keep winning at 2 miles, beating other horses at 2 miles , the harder it is to change it up.
It's what you know vs what you don't know. That age old question.
 
Okay remove Ballymore with "Race Y"



My comment is about why you'd move from Ballymore to Supreme.

Take the specific horse out of it.




I thought I'd made that clear :p

If you think Envoi Allen is best suited to the Supreme, back him for that... my point is he isn't moving because of other horses.... other horses are more likely to move for him.... (and that is only if he continues to live up to the hype)
 
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