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Cheltenham Handicap Shortlists

Alright lads - if you were allowed 1 bet in the handicaps right now, where's it going?

Mine - Highway One O One - CB - 16/1
 
A Toi Phil (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, CORAL, PERTEMPS, PLATE
7th 2016 Ballymore

Alpha des Obeaux (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA
4th 2017 RSA
2nd 2016 World Hurdle


Ben Dundee (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE, PLATE
11th 2016 County running of 139


Black Tears (Gordon Elliott IRE) PIPE

None

Blow By Blow (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, KIM MUIR
1 2018 Pipe


Brelade (Gordon Elliott IRE) COUNTY
7 2018 county of 141
6 2017 Ballymore

Campeador (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE
F 2016 Fred Winter ( when in contention)

Carter McKay (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE

11 2018 Pipe
15 2017 Bumper

Cartwright (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY, PIPE

None

Chief Justice (Gordon Elliott IRE) BOODLES

None

Coko Beach (Gordon Elliott IRE) BOODLES

None

Count Simon (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY, PIPE

None
Cracking Smart (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Cubomania (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, CLOSE, PLATE, KIM MUIR, ANNUAL
Dakota Moirette (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE, PLATE, ANNUAL
Dallas des Pictons (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Dakota Moirette (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE, PLATE, ANNUAL
Dallas des Pictons (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Diamond Cauchois (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Doctor Phoenix (Gordon Elliott IRE) PLATE, ANNUAL
Dounikos (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA
Duca de Thaix (Gordon Elliott IRE) PLATE, ANNUAL
Eclair de Beaufeu (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY, PIPE
Farclas (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY
Felix Desjy (Gordon Elliott IRE) COUNTY
Flawless Escape (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PERTEMPS, PIPE
General Principle (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, KIM MUIR
Getaway John (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Gun Digger (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, CLOSE, PLATE, KIM MUIR
Hardline (Gordon Elliott IRE) PLATE, ANNUAL
High Expectations (Gordon Elliott IRE) COUNTY
Its All Guesswork (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, KIM MUIR, PIPE
Kuiper Belt (Gordon Elliott IRE) COUNTY, PIPE
Lackaneen Leader (Gordon Elliott IRE) PIPE
Lethal Steps (Gordon Elliott IRE) BOODLES, PIPE
Measureofmydreams (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, KIM MUIR
Mengli Khan (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE, PLATE, ANNUAL
Mitchouka (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY, PIPE
Monatomic (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE
Monbeg Notorious (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA
Mrs Lovett (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE
Out Sam (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, KIM MUIR
Outlander (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA
Roaring Bull (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE, PLATE
Rogue Angel (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, KIM MUIR
Satoshi (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PERTEMPS, PIPE
Sire du Berlais (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PERTEMPS, PIPE
Stooshie (Gordon Elliott IRE) PIPE
Surin (Gordon Elliott IRE) BOODLES
The Storyteller (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, CORAL, PLATE, PIPE
Tintangle (Gordon Elliott IRE) PIPE
Tombstone (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY
Tycoon Prince (Gordon Elliott IRE) ANNUAL
Western Honour (Gordon Elliott IRE) PIPE
Woods Well (Gordon Elliott IRE) KIM MUIR

where to start...previous festival form ?
 
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mayo said:
A Toi Phil (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, CORAL, PERTEMPS, PLATE
Alpha des Obeaux (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA
Ben Dundee (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE, PLATE
Black Tears (Gordon Elliott IRE) PIPE
Brelade (Gordon Elliott IRE) COUNTY
Campeador (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE
Carter McKay (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE
Cartwright (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY, PIPE
Chief Justice (Gordon Elliott IRE) BOODLES
Coko Beach (Gordon Elliott IRE) BOODLES
Count Simon (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY, PIPE
Cracking Smart (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Cubomania (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, CLOSE, PLATE, KIM MUIR, ANNUAL
Dakota Moirette (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE, PLATE, ANNUAL
Dallas des Pictons (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Dakota Moirette (Gordon Elliott IRE) CLOSE, PLATE, ANNUAL
Dallas des Pictons (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Diamond Cauchois (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Doctor Phoenix (Gordon Elliott IRE) PLATE, ANNUAL
Dounikos (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA
Duca de Thaix (Gordon Elliott IRE) PLATE, ANNUAL
Eclair de Beaufeu (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY, PIPE
Farclas (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, COUNTY
Felix Desjy (Gordon Elliott IRE) COUNTY
Flawless Escape (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PERTEMPS, PIPE
General Principle (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, KIM MUIR
Getaway John (Gordon Elliott IRE) CORAL, PIPE
Gun Digger (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, CLOSE, PLATE, KIM MUIR
Hardline (Gordon Elliott IRE) PLATE, ANNUAL
High Expectations (Gordon Elliott IRE) COUNTY
Its All Guesswork (Gordon Elliott IRE) ULTIMA, KIM MUIR, PIPE
Kuiper Belt (Gordon Elliott IRE) COUNTY, PIPE
Lackaneen Leader (Gordon Elliott IRE) PIPE
Lethal Steps (Gordon Elliott IRE) BOODLES, PIPE[/QUOTE

thought list looked small
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bobbyvalentino said:
Alright lads - if you were allowed 1 bet in the handicaps right now, where's it going?

Mine - Highway One O One - CB - 16/1
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I've backed him too. Impressed with last run had Kildisart off the bridle a long way out. Only up 2lbs and still unexposed at the trip.
 
Glen Rocco runs the weekend (and wins)will it end up ultima or Kim muir thoughts?
 
Added Belami Des Pictons (20/1 NRNB) for the Plate.

Moved to correct thread.
 
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Re: vision des flos.
I like this angle....Will he run on Sunday you think?
Bit of a heavy schedule surely?
 
bobbyvalentino said:
Alright lads - if you were allowed 1 bet in the handicaps right now, where's it going?

Mine - Highway One O One - CB - 16/1
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like that, some nice bits and bobs of form.
copied that bet e/w
 
I can’t remember who was putting up De Plotting Shed for the Grand Annual but I’ve been told he may not run as he has left Gordon’s and gone to Jim Best yard
 
Are you concerned about not knowing the mark for over a third of the entries or are you applying a standard 'penalty' to all the Irish?
 
archie said:
Are you concerned about not knowing the mark for over a third of the entries or are you applying a standard 'penalty' to all the Irish?
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I'm not going through them with a fine tooth comb yet, just dwindling them down who don't fit the obvious trends that I personally stick to. Once weights come out I will re-assess.
 
I have done some analysis on Elliott handicap winners in recent years, 2016 - 2018, specifically.

In this time Gordon has had 7 handicap winners with a huge 4 out of 9 last year. Is there any real trends in spotting Elliott winners? Absolutely.

7/7 had first run prior to the new year with 5/7 having run before mid November
7/7 had at least 3 runs with 1 having run 4 times, 2 running 5 times and one 7 times.
7/7 had completed on every start that season.
6/7 carried at least 11 stone (Delta work 10-10).
6/7 had run at Punchestown during the season (BBB the exception).
5/7 had run at Fairyhouse during that season (Delta Work & COC the exceptions).
5/7 had won during that season.
5/7 had ran in at least one graded race that season both exceptions changed to Gordon during the season (DK & VOC).
4/7 went off at a price bigger than another Elliott horse.
4/7 were having their first run in a handicap.
 
Folski said:
I have done some analysis on Elliott handicap winners in recent years, 2016 - 2018, specifically.

In this time Gordon has had 7 handicap winners with a huge 4 out of 9 last year. Is there any real trends in spotting Elliott winners? Absolutely.

7/7 had first run prior to the new year with 5/7 having run before mid November
7/7 had at least 3 runs with 1 having run 4 times, 2 running 5 times and one 7 times.
7/7 had completed on every start that season.
6/7 carried at least 11 stone (Delta work 10-10).
6/7 had run at Punchestown during the season (BBB the exception).
5/7 had run at Fairyhouse during that season (Delta Work & COC the exceptions).
5/7 had won during that season.
5/7 had ran in at least one graded race that season both exceptions changed to Gordon during the season (DK & VOC).
4/7 went off at a price bigger than another Elliott horse.
4/7 were having their first run in a handicap.
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Interesting.

I like the first run in a handicap. I feel like often "we" look for a sneaky plot, when a lot of the time, horses beaten in hard races having been campaigned openly are ignored.

That'll be my angle when the weights come out anyway
 
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