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Arkle 2019
- Thread starter billymag
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Articulum only quoted with WH at 33s after that today...
Might get a decent NRNB price if patient - wouldn't run unless a huge performance in the Irish Arkle...
Might get a decent NRNB price if patient - wouldn't run unless a huge performance in the Irish Arkle...
delsie777
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Kev - just back Le Richebourg if you haven't already - then you can sit back and chill out and stop looking for dodgy alternatives. Articulum did great - but he only beat 'the bulldozer'
2 pts e/w at 15/1 :encouragement:
Got the makings of a nice book in this race though so doubt I'll just rely on one.
Surprised Le Richebourg isn't fav. Best Irish form and a fast time. Stays strong. What is putting people off...
ComplyOrDie
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Was thinking the same thing, but see Defi Du Seuil is 7/1 with both PP & betfair, and Le Richebourg is 15/2 & 7's, seems like its up in the air as to which one comes here.
What did JOB say with regards to Le Richebourg's target, does anyone know?
Kevin Blake (race planner) said he thinks Le Richebourg deserves to be fav for the Arkle.
I think it's clearly in their minds....but ultimately, Frank Berry decides. Perhaps it's that reason?
Le Richebourg looks a stronger candidate than Defi Du Seuil over 2 miles to my eye though
delsie777
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Joseph said they would stick to the Arkle route. Said he was pleased how he jumped better at a faster pace and was clearly pleasantly surprised at how well he had adapted to stepping back in trip
Having said that I've just backed Hardline 65/1 down to 60/1. Beat Us And them 10L. Going the way right way and could be Elliot's Arkle horse. 65/1 a mad price.
ComplyOrDie
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To my eye too Kev. Can't see DDS running here but strange Pp/Betfair are so much shorter than anywhere else for him, excluding the NRNB prices of course.
jono
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I think Le Richebourg will more than likely go for the Arkle but I can also see how he could switch with Defi du Seuil.
You'd have to have another think about Defi dropping back to 2 miles after that run behind Lostintranslation. Yes he got well beat over 2 miles at the track prior but he's clearly come on for the run and some of Hobbs horses with long layoffs were needing the run (Jerrysback had a very similar run at Cheltenham on seasonal debut then improved bundles on his next 2 runs)
Then add in the fact Le Richebourg has already ran twice over the intermediate trip over fences and came close to matching Delta Work all the way 2 runs back.
We know LR will go for the Arkle trial at the Dublin Festival and it would be very hard to see him going back up in trip if he were to win there.
But I would start to worry about a switch if DdS gets entries/declared for either
Lightning Novice Chase, Doncaster - 26th January
Kingmaker Chase, Warwick - 9th February
You'd have to have another think about Defi dropping back to 2 miles after that run behind Lostintranslation. Yes he got well beat over 2 miles at the track prior but he's clearly come on for the run and some of Hobbs horses with long layoffs were needing the run (Jerrysback had a very similar run at Cheltenham on seasonal debut then improved bundles on his next 2 runs)
Then add in the fact Le Richebourg has already ran twice over the intermediate trip over fences and came close to matching Delta Work all the way 2 runs back.
We know LR will go for the Arkle trial at the Dublin Festival and it would be very hard to see him going back up in trip if he were to win there.
But I would start to worry about a switch if DdS gets entries/declared for either
Lightning Novice Chase, Doncaster - 26th January
Kingmaker Chase, Warwick - 9th February
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ComplyOrDie
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Same here, think he has improved for every run but the pace of the Arkle he'll be long behind before having any chance, due to his jumping, nothing else, he clearly still retains the engine.
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If both trainers Hobbs and Joseph want to go arkle and they have jockeys available then I'd say they'd both go for the arkle.
This would especially be the case of something emerges that goes very short for the JLT (which may have happened today)
This would especially be the case of something emerges that goes very short for the JLT (which may have happened today)
delsie777
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Mark Walsh is riding as well as ever.
The stars nearly aligned for him last year and then got taken away just as quickly!
I am a Barry fan, but I understand plenty are not, but Mark Walsh on the Irish horses and Barry on the UK wouldn't put anyone's noses out of joint, I'd assume.
The stars nearly aligned for him last year and then got taken away just as quickly!
I am a Barry fan, but I understand plenty are not, but Mark Walsh on the Irish horses and Barry on the UK wouldn't put anyone's noses out of joint, I'd assume.
That's a 'trend' that even trend lovers can't think had any legs though?
He's just class
Morley Street
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I’ve got Le Rich in my book and I really like the horse but I do think he is good ground dependent and wouldn’t fancy his chances if it came up soft.
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