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Cheltenham Gold Cup - 2019.
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Correct Scooby. Richard Collins is a huge supporter of the yard and long may that continue. Northern jumps racing is in a terrible state and doesn't need another stable folding.
The removal of horses by a big owners can destroy a small stable like Ruth's. There's no doubt she can train so I was curious to see if there was some other reason for the removal of those horses.
Been thinking about Al Boum Photo and it led me down a path...Can anybody think of any examples of Willie Mullins being able to really improve a horses jumping, when they've had a number of falls or poor rounds before?
I've always been amazed since learning his chasers sometimes don't see a fence between races (I heard that on a RP Podcast a couple of years back) and that just seems barmey. I believe the theory went along the lines of 'horses know how to jump so it's just a matter of getting them fit', which I can see the angle - but I'd tend to think the more you practice, the better you get, and the better you are over a fence, the more likely you are to win a race (within reason)
You obviously don't become the leading Cheltenham Festival trainer of all time, or multiple Irish champion trainer without being superb at your craft, that isn't in doubt at all. His chaser strike rate over the last 5 years is 30% in IRE (hurdles 29%) which is amazing *although has had twice as many hurdle runners in that time (1583) - but that obviously shows he has no problem training chasers (not that I was ever doubting it) - so it's just the ones who don't jump well consistantly that I am talking about...
I have backed Al Boum Photo so I want there to be some positive examples, but in my head I think about Bacardys, Killultagh Vic and Plyonthepressure and it doesn't fill me with confidence that he'd be able to turn around Al Boum Photo's jumping where other trainers MIGHT be able to? ABP has fallen twice, made mistakes at the 3rd and 7th when winning the Ryanair Gold Cup, made at least 4 slight mistakes in the Flogas when coming 2nd there too.... so he clearly has ability.
Am I missing any obvious ones?
I've always been amazed since learning his chasers sometimes don't see a fence between races (I heard that on a RP Podcast a couple of years back) and that just seems barmey. I believe the theory went along the lines of 'horses know how to jump so it's just a matter of getting them fit', which I can see the angle - but I'd tend to think the more you practice, the better you get, and the better you are over a fence, the more likely you are to win a race (within reason)
You obviously don't become the leading Cheltenham Festival trainer of all time, or multiple Irish champion trainer without being superb at your craft, that isn't in doubt at all. His chaser strike rate over the last 5 years is 30% in IRE (hurdles 29%) which is amazing *although has had twice as many hurdle runners in that time (1583) - but that obviously shows he has no problem training chasers (not that I was ever doubting it) - so it's just the ones who don't jump well consistantly that I am talking about...
I have backed Al Boum Photo so I want there to be some positive examples, but in my head I think about Bacardys, Killultagh Vic and Plyonthepressure and it doesn't fill me with confidence that he'd be able to turn around Al Boum Photo's jumping where other trainers MIGHT be able to? ABP has fallen twice, made mistakes at the 3rd and 7th when winning the Ryanair Gold Cup, made at least 4 slight mistakes in the Flogas when coming 2nd there too.... so he clearly has ability.
Am I missing any obvious ones?
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Bellshill if we're thinking he's turned a new leaf.
When they were doing race course schooling live on atr he fell at the 1st.
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Fair enough, I'd probably prefer to see that tested at home than the heat of a race though.
To be fair, I have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER whether he does give more schooling to horses that have had falls or not.
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I think the answer is obvious, Of course he schools his horses, and of course he schools them if he feels they need it after a performance that was not up to scratch. How much schooling he does in comparison to other trainers is another matter.
So would Al Boum Photo have more chance of winning a Gold Cup in another yard?
I think he would
(Nicholls / Henderson)
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Fair points, on Killultagh Vic his last ditch fall a few years back probably left his mark on him altogether- was very lucky to even make the track again. I probably would say it's one of his only weaknesses.
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I think with Schooling and fences, it has to be more to do with the jockey. It has to be a skill to see strides, gain appropriate positions, flick them when necessary and a whole load more things that help a horse round a course.
I think Ruby is clearly a great horseman and I wonder how much schooling he does these days (the jockeys ability and practice is probably equal too or more important than the horse)
Francome would be good to ask.
I think Ruby is clearly a great horseman and I wonder how much schooling he does these days (the jockeys ability and practice is probably equal too or more important than the horse)
Francome would be good to ask.
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Good luck - though I personally wouldn’t back WP for the GC with counterfeit.
I’d want 4/1 they even run him at Cheltenham.
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If he does well in the KG then I think he will head Gold Cup. He’ll be 8 next year and they can’t keep him wrapped up in cotton wool forever. Fraught with risk I know, but then that’s what free bets are for
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Give him to Ruth Jefferson she'll save it for the Aintree Bowl
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Henry de Bromhead expects to find out more about Monalee’s spring targets after he runs in the Savills Leopardstown Chase on December 28.
A top novice last season, he won a Grade One over two miles and five furlongs before finishing second to Presenting Percy in the RSA Chase over three miles at Cheltenham.
The seven-year-old made his seasonal return at Down Royal in a Grade Two over an extended two-mile-three and finished third to Snow Falcon and Shattered Love.
“It took me to get from Leopardstown to Dublin to get over it, but once I’d analysed it, he was giving 7lb to two very good horses, on that (quick) ground and over an inadequate trip first run back – by the time I got to Dublin I’d got my head around it,” De Bromhead told At The Races.
“We take one race at a time, Leopardstown at Christmas should tell us more in the Savills Chase.
“Noel (Fehily) was delighted with how he settled because he was very keen in the RSA last year, I thought he jumped really well coming in off the back of a fall, so there were plenty of positives.
“We’ll start with the Savills Chase and take it from there. If it’s Ryanair or Gold Cup – let’s hope he’s that level.”
A top novice last season, he won a Grade One over two miles and five furlongs before finishing second to Presenting Percy in the RSA Chase over three miles at Cheltenham.
The seven-year-old made his seasonal return at Down Royal in a Grade Two over an extended two-mile-three and finished third to Snow Falcon and Shattered Love.
“It took me to get from Leopardstown to Dublin to get over it, but once I’d analysed it, he was giving 7lb to two very good horses, on that (quick) ground and over an inadequate trip first run back – by the time I got to Dublin I’d got my head around it,” De Bromhead told At The Races.
“We take one race at a time, Leopardstown at Christmas should tell us more in the Savills Chase.
“Noel (Fehily) was delighted with how he settled because he was very keen in the RSA last year, I thought he jumped really well coming in off the back of a fall, so there were plenty of positives.
“We’ll start with the Savills Chase and take it from there. If it’s Ryanair or Gold Cup – let’s hope he’s that level.”
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Stays all day can't discount him. Monbeg notorious the other one who gets outpaced and finishes like a train
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