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November Forum Yankee

If the Cap fits .... Stayers hurdle . ?? . Pundits on i.t.v this afternoon. A.P anyway.
 
BigChaang said:
If the Cap fits .... Stayers hurdle . ?? . Pundits on i.t.v this afternoon. A.P anyway.
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Best jockey ever,
probably not in top 50 pundits/race analyst's.

Trainer and Fehily mentioned christmas hurdle as next target, doubt stayers hurdle is on the agenda at all.

I appreciate ITCF is a bit of a favorite on here but the two races he's ran so far this year do not suggest he is champion hurdle or stayers hurdle class, although I wouldn't rule it out completely, he's a lot of improving to do.
 
Not sure how this Yankee is decided upon but if it's the most striking/promising performances of the month. With almost certain targets at the festival then I'd say
Lalor
& Malone Road
must be serious considerations.

Of all the horses we've seen run this season then these two must be high on the list as potential Festival winners, so far.
 
I like the idea of doing a Cheltenham festival winners Yankee that includes some previous Cheltenham festival winners that missed the festival this year. These two stand out:

Gold Cup - Sizing John @ 14/1
Ryanair - Willoughby Court @ 33/1
 
quevega said:
Not sure how this Yankee is decided upon but if it's the most striking/promising performances of the month. With almost certain targets at the festival then I'd say
Lalor
& Malone Road
must be serious considerations.

Of all the horses we've seen run this season then these two must be high on the list as potential Festival winners, so far.
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I agree with that.

Lalor and Malone Road deserve to be in this months imo
 
Suggestion . Lalor - arkle chs.
Tiger roll - x countrychs.
Altior - champion chs.
Malone road - bumper.
Road to respect - gold cup. ...... Super yankee. ??.
 
quevega said:
Best jockey ever,
probably not in top 50 pundits/race analyst's.

Trainer and Fehily mentioned christmas hurdle as next target, doubt stayers hurdle is on the agenda at all.

I appreciate ITCF is a bit of a favorite on here but the two races he's ran so far this year do not suggest he is champion hurdle or stayers hurdle class, although I wouldn't rule it out completely, he's a lot of improving to do.
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Thank god someone has the ability to see an over bet, under performing Fry horse. Will NOT win any race at a Cheltenham festival. Bang average Imo.
 
SHADOW RIDER champion bumper 33/1
Supremely impressive in his ptp for Colin bowe changed hands for a simular price to envoi allen to go to Willie mullins.
“I think we’ve got a very smart sort here. He just quickened so impressively away from the back of the last from what I think are two very smart four-year-olds. He has an awful lot going for him. He has that injection of speed and he’s obviously got the pedigree as well"

ADJALI triumph 25/1
Top class French form bought out of the yard of munir and suedes principle French trainer to go to hendo. He's worked well and will be out shortly.


BLACKBOW ballymore 22/1
Top class bumper horse, ptp winner, green and backwards last year. Had a summer to strengthen up, sure to improve this year . One to really look forward to.

ALBOUM PHOTO gold cup 33/1
I'd be dissapointed if he can't go close in the Lexus. Id agree his jumping can be improved. But he's lightly raced and hes learning on the job. he's some engine to get away with it and still find plenty at the finish. iv a lot of faith in him and he's deffinately improvement in him. I'll be suprised if he isn't the mullins 1st string come March.

CHANTE NEIGE mares novice 14/1
She has the stormy Ireland form who'd have won this last year no bother, ( if she swapped with laurina) She's had a year to mature. Expect to see her at fairyhouse after Christmas in the
Solerina (Mares) Novice H´dle (Grade 3)* where she'll take some beating .

CILAOS EMERY
Arkle 20/1
He's the top rated hurdler going in to this season's novice chase ranks. Always looked a big gangly frame of a horse. This is his time. Expect to see him in the grade 1 racing post novice chase at Christmas. And don't be suprised if he's odds on all the way to the arkle.
 
doctorwu said:
Thank god someone has the ability to see an over bet, under performing Fry horse. Will NOT win any race at a Cheltenham festival. Bang average Imo.
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Feel free to put some up who you think will win.
 
doctorwu said:
Thank god someone has the ability to see an over bet, under performing Fry horse. Will NOT win any race at a Cheltenham festival. Bang average Imo.
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Under performing?

Did he not win the Grade 2 Ascot Hurdle yesterday? I'd say that is VERY IMPRESSIVE for a "bang average" horse. He's shown he's better than Old Guard, and has more room for improvement.

People (myself included) thought he was an interesting horse at 40/1 for the CH - now that isn't the case anymore, I wouldn't back him at 66/1 for it now...but I don't think you can start sticking the boot in at people suggesting horses at big prices, whether you agree or not, some reasons behind the opinions would be appreciated.
 
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Kevloaf said:
Under performing?

Did he not win the Grade 2 Ascot Hurdle yesterday? I'd say that is VERY IMPRESSIVE for a "bang average" horse. He's shown he's better than Old Guard, and has more room for improvement.

People (myself included) thought he was an interesting horse at 40/1 for the CH - now that isn't the case anymore, I wouldn't back him at 66/1 for it now...but I don't think you can start sticking the boot in at people suggesting horses at big prices, whether you agree or not, some reasons behind the opinions would be appreciated.
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When I used the term bang average it was in relation to his form yesterday and in the Elite (i.e a similar performance), and also in respect of being a serious contender (rather than outsider) for the Stayers and Champion hurdle. We've seen him twice now and he needs to improve a lot based on those two runs.
The form of his two races this year are a handicappers dream and they have almost run pound for pound to their ratings, due to all the collateral form with the mare and Old Guard etc.

I thought that the stayers hurdle angle mentioned by one or two was a bit of a hopeful one, borne out of a belief in the horses ability and unwillingness to admit to his likely limited talented (albeit still a very good horse, who's only had two runs this season and could prove to be better, given a differently run race or track conditions etc). If you take Rayvin Black out of the race, no one would have thought it smacked of a stayers performance, i think it illuded to that.
But I've seen enough personally to get a feel where he ranks and will bet him accordingly.
hope you don't think I was sticking the boot in , cos I quite hoped and still hope he can prove to be even better than he's shown.
 
Not at all, perfectly fair - I agree completely regarding the handicapper and his mark, I did for a brief moment consider him as a Coral Cup horse but stopped pretty quickly :highly_amused:
 
Scooby91 said:
SHADOW RIDER champion bumper 33/1
Supremely impressive in his ptp for Colin bowe changed hands for a simular price to envoi allen to go to Willie mullins.
“I think we’ve got a very smart sort here. He just quickened so impressively away from the back of the last from what I think are two very smart four-year-olds. He has an awful lot going for him. He has that injection of speed and he’s obviously got the pedigree as well"

ADJALI triumph 25/1
Top class French form bought out of the yard of munir and suedes principle French trainer to go to hendo. He's worked well and will be out shortly.


BLACKBOW ballymore 22/1
Top class bumper horse, ptp winner, green and backwards last year. Had a summer to strengthen up, sure to improve this year . One to really look forward to.

ALBOUM PHOTO gold cup 33/1
I'd be dissapointed if he can't go close in the Lexus. Id agree his jumping can be improved. But he's lightly raced and hes learning on the job. he's some engine to get away with it and still find plenty at the finish. iv a lot of faith in him and he's deffinately improvement in him. I'll be suprised if he isn't the mullins 1st string come March.

CHANTE NEIGE mares novice 14/1
She has the stormy Ireland form who'd have won this last year no bother, ( if she swapped with laurina) She's had a year to mature. Expect to see her at fairyhouse after Christmas in the
Solerina (Mares) Novice H´dle (Grade 3)* where she'll take some beating .

CILAOS EMERY
Arkle 20/1
He's the top rated hurdler going in to this season's novice chase ranks. Always looked a big gangly frame of a horse. This is his time. Expect to see him in the grade 1 racing post novice chase at Christmas. And don't be suprised if he's odds on all the way to the arkle.
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That has to be close to a Mayo Millions bet
 
Scooby91 said:
Feel free to put some up who you think will win.
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Plenty of time for that Scooby. You'll get them from me when I'm ready.

Your method of staking is different to mine. I'm not interested in backing 20 horses at long odds with a vain hope of holding a winning ticket(triumph last year:triumphant:).

As for ITCF, I told you all last year he was a sentimental over bet horse, and so it proved. Laying him proved very fruitful for me last year. I put up my 2 lays of the festival, Sam Spinner & ITCF.
 
doctorwu said:
Plenty of time for that Scooby. You'll get them from me when I'm ready.

Your method of staking is different to mine. I'm not interested in backing 20 horses at long odds with a vain hope of holding a winning ticket(triumph last year:triumphant:).

As for ITCF, I told you all last year he was a sentimental over bet horse, and so it proved. Laying him proved very fruitful for me last year. I put up my 2 lays of the festival, Sam Spinner & ITCF.
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I made 18 points profit in the triumph last year. Thankyou.
 
I am quite happy to disagree with anyone on here and an wrong more often than I am right. If we all thought the same about every race there would be no betting markets.
 
Joleg said:
That has to be close to a Mayo Millions bet
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Scooby91 said:
SHADOW RIDER champion bumper 33/1
Supremely impressive in his ptp for Colin bowe changed hands for a simular price to envoi allen to go to Willie mullins.
“I think we’ve got a very smart sort here. He just quickened so impressively away from the back of the last from what I think are two very smart four-year-olds. He has an awful lot going for him. He has that injection of speed and he’s obviously got the pedigree as well"

ADJALI triumph 25/1
Top class French form bought out of the yard of munir and suedes principle French trainer to go to hendo. He's worked well and will be out shortly.


BLACKBOW ballymore 22/1
Top class bumper horse, ptp winner, green and backwards last year. Had a summer to strengthen up, sure to improve this year . One to really look forward to.

ALBOUM PHOTO gold cup 33/1
I'd be dissapointed if he can't go close in the Lexus. Id agree his jumping can be improved. But he's lightly raced and hes learning on the job. he's some engine to get away with it and still find plenty at the finish. iv a lot of faith in him and he's deffinately improvement in him. I'll be suprised if he isn't the mullins 1st string come March.

CHANTE NEIGE mares novice 14/1
She has the stormy Ireland form who'd have won this last year no bother, ( if she swapped with laurina) She's had a year to mature. Expect to see her at fairyhouse after Christmas in the
Solerina (Mares) Novice H´dle (Grade 3)* where she'll take some beating .

CILAOS EMERY
Arkle 20/1
He's the top rated hurdler going in to this season's novice chase ranks. Always looked a big gangly frame of a horse. This is his time. Expect to see him in the grade 1 racing post novice chase at Christmas. And don't be suprised if he's odds on all the way to the arkle.
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Scooby,
I'll see what I can find to go against these :devilish:
 
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