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Ryanair 2019

doctorwu said:
Monalee didn't do much wrong last year in the RSA, he just ran into a real good horse. I always get the feeling he's likely to find 1 to good in major races. However, I do like him for this race.
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Concur, I was on him, and he ran a cracker. Percy was just too damn good
 
I've said this before but....

Monalee's best chase RPR was achieved over 3m (twice).
His sire (Milan) also sired a Grand National winner.
His dam-side breeding is packed with stamina.
His owners think he stays 3m.
His trainer thinks he stays 3m.
 
I think we can safely say min dosent go to ascot via PP
 
archie said:
I've said this before but....

Monalee's best chase RPR was achieved over 3m (twice).
His sire (Milan) also sired a Grand National winner.
His dam-side breeding is packed with stamina.
His owners think he stays 3m.
His trainer thinks he stays 3m.
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40/1 with Bet365 for a second season chaser :encouragement: (in longer race)
 
Monalee was keen in the RSA. Stays 3m but not a Gold Cup horse.
 
boopa said:
Monalee was keen in the RSA. Stays 3m but not a Gold Cup horse.
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The general consensus between most on here is the Ryanair trip would be ideal for Monalee, the concern is I think connections will want to aim him at the Gold Cup
 
charlie said:
The general consensus between most on here is the Ryanair trip would be ideal for Monalee
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There is no logic behind that 'general consensus', it's just opinion. The form figures quoted for over 3 miles include two falls where he started favourite and might well have won.
 
archie said:
There is no logic behind that 'general consensus', it's just opinion. The form figures quoted for over 3 miles include two falls where he started favourite and might well have won.
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I'd say there is- Chelt GC isn't a run of the mill 3 mile chase in my view and takes a great stayer by and large.

2m5 is still a fair test of stamina, especially for a horse that tends to race quite keen, and likes to race pretty prominent.

Kemboy might be a prime example of this come the Ladbroke, 2 best RPRs come over shorter....will stay 3 mile but the way he races is it ideal?

For me its not does he stay 3mile, its about trying to find the race most suitable for Monalee, and i think that's 2m5, not a 3m2 slog...
 
Everyone says 3m like the extra 2f doesn't matter in the Gold Cup, it does, and it will, especially at the clip they go.

You don't want just a 3m horse, you want a stayer with pace about them, unless of course it comes up soft/heavy then you need a slogger, like Native River last season.

Fact is, personally, I can pick more holes in his 3m form than I can over shorter, obviously trainer/connections will do what they want, which is fine, but I'd rather have 16/1 for Monalee in this race than the 40's on offer for the Gold Cup as I just don't see him as a player in that.
 
The logic is based on what people are seeing. Ran twice over an intermediate trip last season and made all both times. A stiff 2m5 is perfect for a horse keen over 3m.
 
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Monalee wasn't keen 1st time out fresh. He's a year older he's in open company let him run and see how it pans out
 
boopa said:
The logic is based on what people are seeing. Run twice over an intermediate trip last season and made all both times. A stiff 2m5 is perfect for a horse keen over 3m.
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This sums him up, form aside.
Visually he looked at his best in those two races and I was desperate for him to run in the JLT.
I would back him for Ryanair no doubt.
But I wouldn't rule out him being able to run really well in Gold cup either though. Too early to be sure on this horse because of the mishaps
 
If the owners think Monalee can beat PP in the Gold Cup they are totally deluded Imo.
 
There is no logic in the 'if he were mine' betting methodology when it goes against what connections are saying at the moment.

Sure, if they come out and say they've changed their minds everything is hunky dory but, until then, the 'turning up' component of an ante post bet this far out would be rather longer odds in this case than normal. To take 16/1 for the Ryanair right now is expecting him to be about 6/1 on the day and the way they're talking, he'll only go this way if he fails at 3 miles. He has no entry for the Durkan so the Leopardstown Christmas Chase is the likely next race. I've said all along that no decision would be made until then.

12/1 ew any race is surely the way to go if you have to have him on your lists before then.
 
Has no chance in Gold Cup so any race has no appeal. Would probably be bigger than 12/1 on the day.
 
doctorwu said:
If the owners think Monalee can beat PP in the Gold Cup they are totally deluded Imo.
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Maybe, but they can't run scared of one horse in one race all season?

Although I think Min is coming here because he can't beat Altior :highly_amused:
 
boopa said:
Has no chance in Gold Cup so any race has no appeal. Would probably be bigger than 12/1 on the day.
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You can't say he has no chance. If the RSA winner proves to be a superstar, the second to him may well be the best form on offer.

Its unlikely sure, but I'd rather have him running at 12/1 than a non rubber at 16/1. 4 points isn't worth the risk right now when connections aren't leaning this way is it?

He's certainly not a standout in the Ryanair even though plenty of us like him?
 
Kevloaf said:
Maybe, but they can't run scared of one horse in one race all season?

Although I think Min is coming here because he can't beat Altior :highly_amused:
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No need to run away. just put the horse in a race it can win.
 
Kevloaf said:
You can't say he has no chance. If the RSA winner proves to be a superstar, the second to him may well be the best form on offer.

Its unlikely sure, but I'd rather have him running at 12/1 than a non rubber at 16/1. 4 points isn't worth the risk right now when connections aren't leaning this way is it?

He's certainly not a standout in the Ryanair even though plenty of us like him?
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Hallelujah! Someone understands the point I'm trying to make. :encouragement:

As it happens, backing him now makes no sense in any market unless you have NRNB or cash-out. He won't run until Christmas so the price is unlikely to change until his next race is confirmed.
 
doctorwu said:
If the owners think Monalee can beat PP in the Gold Cup they are totally deluded Imo.
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Horses mature and improve at different rates.. look at don cossack. Also Who knows pp makes it there? Or isn't out of form bombs in a trial and goes to the race a 20/1 shot

Our duke was the next big hope last year.
 
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