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Supreme Novices Hurdle 2020

charlie said:
Post race comments will be interesting. If Gordon says EA likely to go up I’d expect Abacadabras to go even shorter
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I've said previously that I think where EA will end up will in some way be guided by his other runners, as Im sure everyone now believes he could win either race.

Abracadabras has laid down a huge marker to be their second best novice. As we stand you'd have to think these two will be split up Supreme and Ballymore and be tough to beat.

Up to Andy Dufresne to try and throw his hat into the ring now...
 
Scooby91 said:
I dont think embittered is a mug at all, he went on with them, but was left for dead in the final stages, and paid the price.
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Yep, it looked a solid gallop which helps the form.
Abacadabras didn't find as much as he looked like he had though.
But Envoi Allen appeared to quicken again when he felt the other horse in behind, but that could have been the camera angle.
And Envoi Allen might be very decent anyway so no shame on abac
 
Can't Catch Me said:
I've said previously that I think where EA will end up will in some way be guided by his other runners, as Im sure everyone now believes he could win either race.

Abracadabras has laid down a huge marker to be their second best novice. As we stand you'd have to think these two will be split up Supreme and Ballymore and be tough to beat.

Up to Andy Dufresne to try and throw his hat into the ring now...
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Nope, nope, nope.

No no no.

Nay nay neigh.


Envoi Allen goes wherever they think he is best suited.

The rest slot in around him...



Different owners too, you're doing too much over thinking today :p
 
Kevloaf said:
Nope, nope, nope.

No no no.

Nay nay neigh.


Envoi Allen goes wherever they think he is best suited.

The rest slot in around him...



Different owners too, you're doing too much over thinking today :p
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Yes but why is it taken as a given that is EA much better suited to the Ballymore? On what piece of form? Are you saying you dont think he would win a Supreme?
 
What would you want from a Supreme winner? He literally has it all.... He's so slick over his hurdles, has outspeeded a very pacy horse like Abracadabras there and looks like he could stay further.

He just happens to be so good he could win a Ballymore too!

I honest dont think it matters which race he goes for, has the same chance in both.
 
Pretty clear what Gordon wants and who could blame him.
 
I suspect we won't know until 3 days before where he goes. The weather will play a big part and well being of others. Covered him for both anyway so no issues there
 
If its ground like it was last year I can see the Klassical dream scenario happening for EA but no one will know 100% until the festival unfortunately
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Yes but why is it taken as a given that is EA much better suited to the Ballymore? On what piece of form? Are you saying you dont think he would win a Supreme?
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No.....see below that I posted earlier :p

Kevloaf said:
Not arguing that Envoi Allen wouldn't win the Supreme, because he probably would....

but he's the Ballymore winner.
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There isn't a piece of form that says he'll be better over the Ballymore trip.... there isn't a piece of form that says he won't be better though... unfair arguement.



You back him for the Supreme, good luck to you with it, if he runs in it he'll win.

I am confident he'll be in the Ballymore, and I'm not going to change. Loads of clues for me, trainer comments, owner comments, (if he's gonna stay at 2 miles they'd say now?) his PtP background, the fact he's a future staying chaser in my mind.


They'll follow Samcro's path, but get it right next season as he goes Novice Chasing.
 
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Kev. Ive backed him for both and will cash out whichever I dont need a few days before.

Just dont think anything can be set in stone this far out. But as we stand today, I agree he will go for the Ballymore.
 
Elliott has 3 good ones in EA, Aba and Andy D.....diff owners

One option is treble.....EA champion Hurdle, Aba Supreme and Andy D in Ballymore.....unlikely choices, but saver treble? It’s nearly 2000-1
 
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TigerRolllllll said:
Elliott has 3 good ones in EA, Aba and Andy D.....diff owners

One option is treble.....EA champion Hurdle, Aba Supreme and Andy D in Ballymore.....unlikely choices, but saver treble?
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Or AD Albert Bartlett?
 
“That’s a relief but they are two very good horses. We like Abacadabras a lot and we think Envoi Allen is the real thing," said Elliott.

“The one thing that could beat him is a slow pace and we had to do all our own donkey work. His jumping was class apart from the last.

“He could step up in trip but I’ll have to talk to Davy and the owners and we’ll make out mind up. He’ll be entered in everything and could run next at Christmas or Naas (Grade 1 Lawlors Novice Hurdle).”
 
Scooby91 said:
“That’s a relief but they are two very good horses. We like Abacadabras a lot and we think Envoi Allen is the real thing," said Elliott.

“The one thing that could beat him is a slow pace and we had to do all our own donkey work. His jumping was class apart from the last.

“He could step up in trip but I’ll have to talk to Davy and the owners and we’ll make out mind up. He’ll be entered in everything and could run next at Christmas or Naas (Grade 1 Lawlors Novice Hurdle).”
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Lawlors over 2 1/2 so that'll give them more to think about. Think they said AD would go there as well so who knows??!!
 
TigerRolllllll said:
Elliott has 3 good ones in EA, Aba and Andy D.....diff owners

One option is treble.....EA champion Hurdle, Aba Supreme and Andy D in Ballymore.....unlikely choices, but saver treble? It’s nearly 2000-1
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Very hard to imagine Elliott sweeps them all with no reply from Mullins.

A month from now on 1st Jan I'm sure we'll all be raving about some of the Mullins horses for the same races... just too unlikely that Elliott wipes the floor with him.





Hopefully some of the other trainers have some nice types too :)
 
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