Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2020

[Can't Catch Me]

IF Envoi Allen did stay at 2 miles in his next couple of runs, and the ground also came up heavy for March.
It'll make it a little harder for sure to enter the Ballymore.
I don't personally think it'd make much a difference if he's carried on winning in style, which race he runs in.
So I'd say Gordon wouldn't be scared either way too.
Just ever so slightly riskier trying something new on the big day.
I expect we'll see him over 2m 4f before cheltenham myself, especially if the Ballymore IS THE PLAN ?

I agree. Dont see them going 2m all season then going for the Ballymore as his first time over the trip myself... Why take such a risk?

 

[Lobos]

IF Envoi Allen did stay at 2 miles in his next couple of runs, and the ground also came up heavy for March.
It'll make it a little harder for sure to enter the Ballymore.
I don't personally think it'd make much a difference if he's carried on winning in style, which race he runs in.
So I'd say Gordon wouldn't be scared either way too.
Just ever so slightly riskier trying something new on the big day.
I expect we'll see him over 2m 4f before cheltenham myself, especially if the Ballymore IS THE PLAN ?

He'll only have 2 more runs max imo. One at Xmas if he's healed properly and one other. If both those are over 2 miles I fear for anyone who had just backed him for Ballymore. I just can't see them stepping him up now. Simply no need to as he'd win Supreme comfortably.

 

[Kautothegreat8]

I would say if he’s good and fast enough to hold off a speedy horse around Fairyhouse with abit up his sleeve, I’d imagine 2 miles round a stiffer track like Cheltenham he’d be near unbeatable. Think they’d be mad to start experimenting over a longer trip when they know they have the best horse in the novice 2 mile division.

 

[Scooby91]

Wheres he going at christmas?

Paddy seem to know.

 

[Lobos]

Wheres he going at christmas?

Paddy seem to know.

Really? I'm not having that.

 

[Scooby91]

Really? I'm not having that.

Fill your boots then on the future champions novices hurdle at 7/4

And 5/2 for him TO RUN in the supreme.

 

[Lobos]

Fill your boots then on the future champions novices hurdle at 7/4

And 5/2 for him TO RUN in the supreme.

No thanks. Fill your boots for the Ballymore but don't ask them for your tenner back when he goes Supreme. Soz couldn't resist.....hee, hee.

 

[charlie]

I would say if he’s good and fast enough to hold off a speedy horse around Fairyhouse with abit up his sleeve, I’d imagine 2 miles round a stiffer track like Cheltenham he’d be near unbeatable. Think they’d be mad to start experimenting over a longer trip when they know they have the best horse in the novice 2 mile division.

So far. Plenty of 2 mile novice hurdlers we haven’t seen yet eg Fly Smart and Shishkin. Mad to send a horse Gordon has repeatedly emphasised as a stayer over an extra 5 furlongs

 

[Lobos]

So far. Plenty of 2 mile novice hurdlers we haven’t seen yet eg Fly Smart and Shishkin. Mad to send a horse Gordon has repeatedly emphasised as a stayer over an extra 5 furlongs

And a certain Andy Dufrence and many others waiting for him there. Don't be lulled into thinking Ballymore is the easiest option.

 

[Scooby91]

No thanks. Fill your boots for the Ballymore but don't ask them for your tenner back when he goes Supreme. Soz couldn't resist.....hee, hee.

Iv already done so @19/1 and 10/1.

If I was at all bothered I could cover my stake @ 5/2 to run in the supreme. But I'd rather not pay for the power towers annual Christmas piss up.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Really? I'm not having that.

Of course they know Lobos. Look at the prices. Would you price him up at 7/4 and Abacadbras 2/1 if you had no idea?

 

[Scooby91]

And a certain Andy Dufrence and many others waiting for him there. Don't be lulled into thinking Ballymore is the easiest option.

He could go anywhere andy dufresne. Wherever he slots in, I find it amusing that on here he's slotted straight in the ballymore as the big dog in the 2m4 division. Is it the name, the fee, or the race he won 1st time up?

 

[Lobos]

Iv already done so @19/1 and 10/1.

If I was at all bothered I could cover my stake @ 5/2 to run in the supreme. But I'd rather not pay for the power towers annual Christmas piss up.

Surely after today's comments from the owners anyone would be silly not to cover him for Supreme? I have him at big odds for Ballymore but covered at 12's for Supreme as I couldn't be sure where he was going. I'm still not but percentage wise it must now favour the 2 mile race.

 

[Lobos]

Of course they know Lobos. Look at the prices. Would you price him up at 7/4 and Abacadbras 2/1 if you had no idea?

Could change after today or may be just because of his injury that they feel he might miss Xmas ? No-one knows.

 

[Quevega]

I'd say that almost anyone with a reasonable eye, or who watches enough racing could say that he looked for all the world a horse who would improve for a step up in distance. - Last season.

However, if we only had this years evidence to go on and had our minds blanked from those bumper runs (Men in Black style), I'd say most would have a different opinion. - This season.

Although I don't personally worry about the trip if a horses ability is clearly superior. It would only be extreme ground conditions that would concern me.

I think it's fair to say that Gordon has been surprised by how much speed he has demonstrated this season, and this appears to conincide with his technique over the hurdles also.

The Ballymore looks to have been the end game when the season started but his runs so far, mean that if it did come up testing in March it's going to make them think a bit harder.

I think that's where we stand.
Until he steps up in trip and gets beat

To Add...
It's not like he's beat all comers just yet is it ?
He is far from unbeatable based on his form so far.

But he does look very useful.
And is probably cock of the school at the minute. At least until the big nerdy kid hits him back and knocks him spark out anyway.

 

[Lobos]

He could go anywhere andy dufresne. Wherever he slots in, I find it amusing that on here he's slotted straight in the ballymore as the big dog in the 2m4 division. Is it the name, the fee, or the race he won 1st time up?

Or the fact that he IS being kept to 2 1/2 miles based on his entries. I am convinced he is Ballymore bound and have not backed him for any other race

 

[Scooby91]

Surely after today's comments from the owners anyone would be silly not to cover him for Supreme? I have him at big odds for Ballymore but covered at 12's for Supreme as I couldn't be sure where he was going. I'm still not but percentage wise it must now favour the 2 mile race.

Whatever any one else wants to do, in any race or any bet. Do not copy me, do as YOU want to do.

From my own point of view. I havent the slightest doubt.
He runs in the ballymore should he turn up on the day fit and well. And i have no interest wasting money on propaganda i have seen a million times before.

If you know what to look for, you know where he's going.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

He could go anywhere andy dufresne. Wherever he slots in, I find it amusing that on here he's slotted straight in the ballymore as the big dog in the 2m4 division. Is it the name, the fee, or the race he won 1st time up?

Thats just daft. Who is saying that please?

Clearly he could go anywhere depending on what he does. But if he wins at the weekend with his head in his chest over 2m4f against better horses, do you honestly believe that will have no bearing whatsoever on where EA goes? You are talking about things that haven't happened yet as if its irrelevant what happens.

Its beyond argument that EA has as much chance in the Supreme as the Ballymore to me. As we stand, the Supreme also looks the easier race.

 

[Lobos]

I'd say that almost anyone with a reasonable eye, or who watches enough racing could say that he looked for all the world a horse who would improve for a step up in distance. - Last season.

However, if we only had this years evidence to go on and had our minds blanked from those bumper runs (Men in Black style), I'd say most would have a different opinion. - This season.

Although I don't personally worry about the trip if a horses ability is clearly superior. It would only be extreme ground conditions that would concern me.

I think it's fair to say that Gordon has been surprised by how much speed he has demonstrated this season, and this appears to conincide with his technique over the hurdles also.

The Ballymore looks to have been the end game when the season started but his runs so far, mean that if it did come up testing in March it's going to make them think a bit harder.

I think that's where we stand.
Until he steps up in trip and gets beat

To Add...
It's not like he's beat all comers just yet is it ?
He is far from unbeatable based on his form so far.

But he does look very useful.
And is probably cock of the school at the minute. At least until the big nerdy kid hits him back and knocks him spark out anyway.

Think you have to listen to the jockeys comments as well which would suggest a step up is not necessary.

 

[Quevega]

Of course they know Lobos. Look at the prices. Would you price him up at 7/4 and Abacadbras 2/1 if you had no idea?

Not sure thats concrete evidence either way.
I've seen plenty of evidence of PP getting wrong with their antepost on Irish.
Only the other week they had the prices wrong initially with Fury Road and Abacadabras.
And they'll not accept any serious bets on these markets anyway, so its a bit of a misnomer.