Cross Country Chase 2019

[jono]

Elliott on Tiger Roll today...

https://www.racingpost.com/news/gra...onoghue-for-part-in-tiger-roll-victory/327582

"It's a shame for Keith Donoghue because he was Keith's ride," said Elliott. "He just couldn't do the weight. He did a lot of work on the horse but he's going to have plenty more days on him. He'll be back on him in the cross-country race next year."

Load up the wheelbarrows for 2019!

SkyBet have taken their 7/1 special down. I'm hoping when the Cheltenham RequestABets come back up it'll still be there. With no Cross Country markets up yet William Hill are the best next at 5/1 > 5.4/1 price boost Any Race. I'd be surprised to see a bigger price than 7/1 anywhere. I don't want to ask for a price for him right now anyway as a request now, a day after he is the most talked about racehorse out there - you're going to get no value. Hopefully when the dust settles and we move onto Punchestown and the flat, if he is still not priced up i'll then request it.

I do want to wait a little bit and see how the horse and if the race has had any lasting effect. Elliott does say "Tiger Roll is at home, he's a little bit tired this morning but he's okay" in the piece though.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

Load up the wheelbarrows for 2019!

SkyBet have taken their 7/1 special down.

I took advantage of that 7/1 very soon after Cheltenham.
With CofC retired, fancied recruits not improving hugely for the change of code, Tiger Roll like he could be a very warm order for next years renewal.
Just one word of warning, winning a National has ruined many a horse so we will need to see how he comes back next season...

 

[Kevloaf]

I took advantage of that 7/1 very soon after Cheltenham.
With CofC retired, fancied recruits not improving hugely for the change of code, Tiger Roll like he could be a very warm order for next years renewal.
Just one word of warning, winning a National has ruined many a horse so we will need to see how he comes back next season...

It may be tough to tell if the National last left its mark? Getting beaten won't do any harm to his handicap mark... or he'll be out the back in some cross country races.

No chance of a Gold Cup tilt with him? Clearly likes the hill. Clearly stays. Has a touch of class?

 

[Garrison Savannah]

I can’t heap enough praise on “The little rat”, absolutely love him and will be hanging a Dint print of him on one of my walls soon enough - but I don’t think he’s a Gold Cup horse at all.

 

[jono]

I'd be surprised if he goes anywhere else. This, the Ultima or Gold Cup. His mark will certainly go up from the 150. I cannot see the Ultima being an option even if they were to run him in a certain manner next season...He's only 8 years old and potentially could be at his prime (if the National hasn't left a mark) next season at 9 years old, that would be the only reason why they could aim higher I guess.

It was a quote taken from a preview night so shouldn't obviously be taken at face value but still remember Elliott saying

Presenting Percy is the best staying novice chaser in Ireland by a country mile and will win the RSA Chase. He will win the Gold Cup Next Year

That, plus the

I was always taught to go for the race you can win

Just can't see him pitching him in the race. He's a super horse but up against Presenting Percy, Might Bite and Native River?
Though Gigginstown will ultimately make the call, I think there's a fair level of realism with them too so would be shocked if they pushed for it.

He's won the 4 Miler (last run 31st October) and Cross Country (last run 15th December) with a long break so we'd assume a similar break again and not running in 2019? Likely have his final run at the Cross Country race in December as his final prep? I'd like to think he would give me a calmer build up to the festival than what Cause of Causes did!

There is another horse that I quite like the idea of for this if he was to come into this discipline but until the markets are up and updates/plans are made through the summer I won't even bother going into that one or backing him.

Ista - certainly something in the back of my mind. Tiger Roll has been involved in plenty of tough races and come back (Munster National, Irish National, 4 Miler) but the Aintree National is unique. Compared to this time last year, I had more hope with Cause of Causes that it wouldn't leave a mark as he had ran in the National beforehand, something we don't have with Tiger Roll. I do have a feeling that with Many Clouds bucking the trend for National Winners coming out of the race and winning/competing at a high level after, younger horses have been winning the National over the last few years which maybe means they too could come out of it better than what used to be expected? It's a shame One For Arthur (8yo) got injured and Rule The World retired (9yo) after as that theory is untested still. (though you could easily say the fact they are retired and injured proves your point! :highly_amused

 

[luisgarciaisgod]

I just can't bring myself to back a horse after winning a National. They generally never recover. In recent memory other then Many Clouds with couple of wins including beating Thistlecrack and Hedgehunter (2nd in both the GC and GN in 06) the rest of winners in recent memory have had no success afterwards.

 

[thistlecracker]

Tiger roll 7/1 back up

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Requested the Tiger Roll & Might Bite double

 

[KingSprinterSacre]

i'm very wary after last year and being so confident on COC.
Tiger roll has had two difficult races and finished a very tired horse after both.

 

[Kevloaf]

i'm very wary after last year and being so confident on COC.
Tiger roll has had two difficult races and finished a very tired horse after both.

I think he's had tough races before and come back from them... then fact he won the national on the back of a tough race makes him quite appealing.

As I said before (I think)... it might be quite hard to see how the National has affected him though, as you can't envisgage a huge performance first or second time out next season no matter what the circumstances?

 

[KingSprinterSacre]

Thats true, he'll not be asked to win a race again until the cross country

 

[Kevloaf]

Thats true, he'll not be asked to win a race again until the cross country

I'm leaning towards not worrying about the effect of the national because Gordon Elliott is showing no signs of stopping./ He's doing things that special and if he keeps TR ion training, I expect him at 100% at the festival, to go for festival win number 4

 

[thistlecracker]

Agreed on the effort not needed until the festival... hopefully the odds might reach double figures

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

4/1 now with Skybet. I missed the price:sorrow:

 

[thistlecracker]

Must be a fair amount of money going on to reduce it that fast

After I saw the price decrease, I took the mite bite double at 25/1

 

[Hurricane fly]

4/1 is far too skinny for me, maybe around the turn of the year after a no show tune up race I’ll look at getting involved.


Interested to see who else is brought into the division, CoC and Tiger Roll we’re both in their first seasons at it.

I can’t imagine Pipe would have the bottle but I would have Un Temp Pour Tout as a strong national shout and this is looking like a new route to the Nash

 

[Quevega]

Interesting Skybet have Clarcam at 20's for this.
Unbelievable he is only eight.
And bearing in mind what happened to causes last year, could Clarcam be the saver bet.

 

[Scooby91]

Interesting Skybet have Clarcam at 20's for this.
Unbelievable he is only eight.
And bearing in mind what happened to causes last year, could Clarcam be the saver bet.

He's been sold and gone to America

 

[PitLad]

William Hill have added TIGER ROLL in the Cross Country to their Cheltz ante post list and he is 5/1.
Going to have a few quid on asap.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

A horse I have one eye on from the same yard as Tiger Roll, is one called Timiyan. Owned by JP, someone who isn't shy to chuck a few at a race like this, Timiyan stepped up on previous chase efforts to stay on at the line to get ahead of former Irish Grand National winner Rogue Angel. Now let's not pretend Rogue Angel is anything like what he used to be, but he was backed into favourite for the Kilbeggan run so must have been showing some old spark prior to the race.

Timiyan was having his first try over 3m+ and got up on the line suggesting a marathon trip would not be out of the question. I'd suggest he probably lacks the top level of class to win a race of this nature but is certainly one I feel could potentially end up here should the improvements for the step up in trip continue. No betting yet, as nothing at all to suggest he will end up in this race, but as a potential, whether it be this season or next season I think he could be one to keep an eye on in any race he appears over a distance.