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Ballymore (Previously Neptune) Novice Hurdle 2018

'Regardless of if he were to win on Sunday?'

'Listen we will have to see what happens on Sunday, but at the moment we go for the Ballymore'...

The target no longer seems so certain to me.
 
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Gordon does what Eddie O'Leary says.
 
archie said:
Gordon does what Eddie O'Leary says.
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and the O'Leary's want winners.

Samcro best suited to the intermediate trip, with a view to going further as he gets older.

Non-story this Leopardstown trip. 2m6f in soft or heavy is closer to a 3m race .... the alternative is 2m. No brainer.



How close does Sharjah have to get to Samcro, for them to be confident Getabird could win the Ballymore and Sharjah win the Supreme? :highly_amused:
 
Next Destination being laid at 15 on the Exchanges for this.

Hoped it might mean a positive for the AB, but not strong in that market either. Worrying times :grumpy:
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Next Destination being laid at 15 on the Exchanges for this.

Hoped it might mean a positive for the AB, but not strong in that market either. Worrying times :grumpy:
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To be fair, the target is still unclear. And OTBS is now certain to go here. All factors in the drift I would say..
 
Best case scenario for me is Samcro here and ND go the AB. Must admit though after that Elliott interview I am slightly concerned. I have nice returns on Samcro ‘any race’ but most multiples Include Samcro Ballymore and COC cross country
 
On The Blind Side is a knocking each way bet to nothing with 365 at NRNB BOG 1/4 the odds for anyone haviong doubts about Samcro running here...

If you're right, you're on a good bet, if you're wrong, he seems the best of British by a way and there won't be more than 2 Irish contenders better?

Samcro, Getabird, NExt Destination On The Blindside would be WORSE CASE scenario and that is unlikely!
 
Kevloaf said:
On The Blind Side is a knocking each way bet to nothing with 365 at NRNB BOG 1/4 the odds for anyone haviong doubts about Samcro running here...

If you're right, you're on a good bet, if you're wrong, he seems the best of British by a way and there won't be more than 2 Irish contenders better?

Samcro, Getabird, NExt Destination On The Blindside would be WORSE CASE scenario and that is unlikely!
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I'm on on the blind side at 95.0 however he's short for what he's beat. Is his form any better than black ops last run? . I'm not sure

His form is good, hes very likable and he's pulling away. But is it top class grade 1 form over 2m5 at chelt on decent ground, against the likes of samcro who posesses plenty of pace, and a high cruising speed, and the slick jumping and turn of foot of next destination, I don't know. I don't think he's a cert for the 3 but he's likely to be there abouts.
 
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Scooby91 said:
I'm on on the blind side at 95.0 however he's short for what he's beat. Is his form any better than black ops last run? . I'm not sure

His form is good, hes very likable and he's pulling away. But is it top class grade 1 form over 2m5 at chelt on decent ground, against the likes of samcro who posesses plenty of pace, and a high cruising speed, and the slick jumping and turn of foot of next destination, I don't know. I don't think he's a cert for the 3 but he's likely to be there abouts.
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Is his form any better than Black Ops - are you having a laugh?

On his Cheltenham win be beat a horse that’s now a grade 1 winner and a mare that won a pretty decent mares race & is rated a future grade 1 winner by her connections - chances are he improved on that at Sandown & after 3 runs, surely has room for further improvement.
 
Cashew King said:
Is his form any better than Black Ops - are you having a laugh?

On his Cheltenham win be beat a horse that’s now a grade 1 winner and a mare that won a pretty decent mares race & is rated a future grade 1 winner by her connections - chances are he improved on that at Sandown & after 3 runs, surely has room for further improvement.
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Disect the grade 1 winner and the mare. And his next run. Put it in context to the ballymore.

He does have future room for improvement no doubt. I'm talking about ehat he's done to date.
 
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Scooby91 said:
Disect the grade 1 winner and the mare. And his next run. Put it in context to the ballymore.

He does have future room for improvement no doubt. I'm talking about ehat he's done to date.
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We could play that game with Samcro - it’s beaten trees very well at 4s on & 5s on - it’s the price it is now on hype & connections - we’ll all find out if Irish or English form is stronger won’t we.
 
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We could play that game with Samcro - it’s beaten trees very well at 4s on & 5s on - it’s the price it is now on hype & connections - we’ll all find out if Irish or English form is stronger won’t we.
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I'd agree 100% about samcro we will see about him shortly In his 1st decent test. I'm just giving a completely un bias opinion.
 
Cashew King said:
Is his form any better than Black Ops - are you having a laugh?

On his Cheltenham win be beat a horse that’s now a grade 1 winner and a mare that won a pretty decent mares race & is rated a future grade 1 winner by her connections - chances are he improved on that at Sandown & after 3 runs, surely has room for further improvement.
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I took Santini’s win as a knock to OTBS form. Poetic Rhythm beat Mulcahys Hill a short head, OTBS beat Poetic Rhythm 2 lengths. So OTBS has 3 lengths or so in hand on Mulcahys Hill, who was thrashed by both Santini and Black Op. Obviously can’t place too much weight collaterally on all that, but it places serious doubt for me on the strength of OTBS form
 
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I took Santini’s win as a knock to OTBS form. Poetic Rhythm beat Mulcahys Hill a short head, OTBS beat Poetic Rhythm 2 lengths. So OTBS has 3 lengths or so in hand on Mulcahys Hill, who was thrashed by both Santini and Black Op. Obviously can’t place too much weight collaterally on all that, but it places serious doubt for me on the strength of OTBS form
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I wouldn't put too much weight on Mulcahy's Hills last run. He was backed to win and ran well below expectations. I suspect he was still feeling the effects of his previous run. It didn't help his cause that Heskin seemed to spend plenty of the race not appearing to know whether to make the running or not.
 
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