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Cheltenham Gold Cup 2018

jono said:
Thanks for that CoD. I don't tend to look into the breeding side of horses myself but you can only take positives out of that :encouragement: Is breeding a side you often look at?
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I do for certain races Jono yeah. I don't take them as a definite rule but I think it's always good to look into, and with something as difficult as the Gold Cup I feel it may help make my decision too.
 
The Beast said:
Pretty sure it wasnt a strong gallop FM
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I'm not sure of the sectionals but Native River and Champagne West were the two prominent runners and neither of them like to hang about. It probably wasn't a break neck pace but I'd say it was decent enough. Also, the way Minella Rocco flew home makes me think some horses were tiring too.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
I'm not sure of the sectionals but Native River and Champagne West were the two prominent runners and neither of them like to hang about. It probably wasn't a break neck pace but I'd say it was decent enough. Also, the way Minella Rocco flew home makes me think some horses were tiring too.
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That's what I thought but I'm going to go back and watch the race again at some point. As a rule, I discount horses who have tried and failed in the Gold Cup but a slowly run race would make me rethink this approach this year.
 
Decent early sighting of some possible GC hopefuls on Thursday

Disko, Outlander, Carlingford Lough, Minella rocco

Come GC day I'll be able to convince myself on any of them although CL is now 11
 
Hurricane fly said:
Decent early sighting of some possible GC hopefuls on Thursday

Disko, Outlander, Carlingford Lough, Minella rocco

Come GC day I'll be able to convince myself on any of them although CL is now 11
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Yes intriguing little race , Rocco should win with this weight allowance but Jonjo horses tend to be slow burners , as in dont usually come to the fore till March. With that in mind shouldn't surprise me he gets stuffed tomorrow and his price on betfair get very big.

Road to Respect on the other hand i expect to be a big improver tomorrow and hopefully his gold cup price gets slashed as Im on at sexy odds to pennies lol
 
Posted this in the antepost thread but will put it here aswell...

Just had a very brief chat with Jonjo O'Neill jnr at Nottingham. Theyd be disappointed if Minella Rocco didnt get very close to winning tomorrow and it didnt need confirming but gold cup the aim again
 
Triple Crown "dream" not dead for anyone on at 50s...

Hendo:

Might Bite

He was in the process of clocking a time about five or six second faster than what Thistlecrack took to win the King George and proved himself to be an outstanding novice with victories in the RSA and the Mildmay. I think the King George will be his prime objective in the first half of the season and he might be ready to go for the Betfair Chase beforehand.



***edit, just hoping actually this is latest news....ATR stable tour, I hadn't seen before today?
 
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Im really looking forward to seeing how Acapella Bourgeois gets on in the hands of Willie Mullins. I'd like to think WM will have a real Gold Cup challenger if, as I believe, he'll improve this horse out of all recognition. Oddschecker state that they've taken more bets than any other horse for the Gold Cup. Interesting.
 
doctorwu said:
Im really looking forward to seeing how Acapella Bourgeois gets on in the hands of Willie Mullins. I'd like to think WM will have a real Gold Cup challenger if, as I believe, he'll improve this horse out of all recognition. Oddschecker state that they've taken more bets than any other horse for the Gold Cup. Interesting.
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I do see the point completely l, with sub lieutenant last year and total recall this year improving beyond all recognition, but the gold cup is a whole different thing, you cant make use of a handicap Mark, and unless it's soft to heavy, I could personally see him being tailed off
If anyone took a Chance at 50s good luck to you, but at current odds I'd be very surprised if there's any value in his price
 
The forgotten horse in this race is Coney Island. He had to miss Cheltenham but had some great Novice form last season and was only half a length second to Our Duke in a hot novice race including Disko in third. Given what Our Duke has gone on to do and the fact Coney Island is so lightly raced and potentially open to vast improvement, at the odds he looks good value.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
The forgotten horse in this race is Coney Island. He had to miss Cheltenham but had some great Novice form last season and was only half a length second to Our Duke in a hot novice race including Disko in third. Given what Our Duke has gone on to do and the fact Coney Island is so lightly raced and potentially open to vast improvement, at the odds he looks good value.
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Not sure he'd want 3m2 but hes a nice horse, disko and our duke the stronger stayers
 
Scooby91 said:
I do see the point completely l, with sub lieutenant last year and total recall this year improving beyond all recognition, but the gold cup is a whole different thing, you cant make use of a handicap Mark, and unless it's soft to heavy, I could personally see him being tailed off
If anyone took a Chance at 50s good luck to you, but at current odds I'd be very surprised if there's any value in his price
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Thats a fair point Scooby. I just think Sandra Hughes was a poor trainer, and didn't get the best out of the horse. This horse may surprise a few people this year Imo.
 
Scooby91 said:
Not sure he'd want 3m2 but hes a nice horse, disko and our duke the stronger stayers
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Sired by Flemensfirth out of a Milan mare, I'd give him a chance of staying given he was running over 3m in his Novice Hurdle season too.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Sired by Flemensfirth out of a Milan mare, I'd give him a chance of staying given he was running over 3m in his Novice Hurdle season too.
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I have Coney Island on the radar because of Our Duke...

I am struggling to remember whether they were leaning towards JLT or RSA with him last year before getting injured?
 
Kevloaf said:
I have Coney Island on the radar because of Our Duke...

I am struggling to remember whether they were leaning towards JLT or RSA with him last year before getting injured?
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They never actually committed before he got injured so it would be guesswork. The trainer always said from an early stage he thought he'd be a future Gold Cup horse though
 
Is Road To Respect on anyones radar now? He has put together a nice looking sequence of 1's at the two festivals and then looking quite comfortable over 3m1f last time out.

I did see he was 50/1 prior to that latest win and now 25s - but not mentioned as far as I can see?

Coney Island beat him a couple of times, (was 4th in the Drinmore) but he looks a better horse now.
 
Kevloaf said:
Is Road To Respect on anyones radar now? He has put together a nice looking sequence of 1's at the two festivals and then looking quite comfortable over 3m1f last time out.

I did see he was 50/1 prior to that latest win and now 25s - but not mentioned as far as I can see?

Coney Island beat him a couple of times, (was 4th in the Drinmore) but he looks a better horse now.
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Generally, I like him. His left jumping won't be as big a problem at Cheltenham as other places. However, unless there's a lot of injuries forcing some of the top horses out, then 25s is too short for me.
 
Garrison Savannah said:
Generally, I like him. His left jumping won't be as big a problem at Cheltenham as other places. However, unless there's a lot of injuries forcing some of the top horses out, then 25s is too short for me.
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Same too short.

The only higher profile race I haven't had an ap bet on. Complete mine field at the moment. And top of the market will change many times before the end of January. You can always get a good price on gc runners nearer the time. Even the morning of the race, all the horses at the top of the market are too short at rhis stage imo. One I will wait for nrnb. Or atleast the last fence of the king george
 
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Garrison Savannah said:
Generally, I like him. His left jumping won't be as big a problem at Cheltenham as other places. However, unless there's a lot of injuries forcing some of the top horses out, then 25s is too short for me.
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I liked him for the Ryanair but that won't happen now :highly_amused:

I am struggling to get excited by him though in this race. The neck beating of Yorkhill is very tough to use :very_drunk: and his win in the Plate would leave him plenty to do. (153 after that?) Can't get too excited about the form of his beating of Minella Rocco, Outlander, Sub L or Zabana either as none of them look to have given a true running.
 
Reminds me of valseur lido last year, he beat Lord scoundrel nicely 1st time up and halved in price for the gold cup, dosent have enough bearing on the gold cup itself. To warrent his price
 
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