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Cheltenham Festival Handicaps

Morning Glory said:
Martin Pipe - entry no 70 got a run last year. This year entry no 70 is rated 135 (same as got a run last year)
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If this happens then I'd be confident that Battleford (number 66 currently) would overturn form with The Storyteller, getting 7lb over this shorter distance than LTO. He looks as though he has been a plot job all season, racing anywhere from 2m - 3m, yet his only win this season was around this Martin Pipe trip.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
If this happens then I'd be confident that Battleford (number 66 currently) would overturn form with The Storyteller, getting 7lb over this shorter distance than LTO. He looks as though he has been a plot job all season, racing anywhere from 2m - 3m, yet his only win this season was around this Martin Pipe trip.
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He's one I've been looking at. Mullins has a great record in this and seems to usually aim one at it and Battleford seems the most likely going on profile.
 
HardyEustace said:
He's one I've been looking at. Mullins has a great record in this and seems to usually aim one at it and Battleford seems the most likely going on profile.
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Castello Sforza off 138 could also be Mullins' plot for this race. He's not been beaten far in his Novice races and by decent enough horses too. He ran on well to take fourth in last years bumper despite being off the track for a year. That bumper form was looking patchy at the beignning of the season but is looking better now.
 
Pat Kelly, trainer of Presenting Percy, is "disgusted" by the mark his horse has been given and may not run at Cheltenham. He'll be discussing with the owners before making a decision.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Pat Kelly, trainer of Presenting Percy, is "disgusted" by the mark his horse has been given and may not run at Cheltenham. He'll be discussing with the owners before making a decision.
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Can hardly blame him, spoke to a syndicate partner of a few other horses who couldn't get his head round it after I brought this one up, seems incredibly high, but then again if you play with fire, i.e. trying to get a good handicap mark by running your horses a certain way and it gets noticed, you will get burnt.

Let's be honest, the eagle eyes of this forum could see it a mile off, Phil Smith wasn't going to let it pass, especially with connections winning the same race last year too.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Let's be honest, the eagle eyes of this forum could see it a mile off, Phil Smith wasn't going to let it pass, especially with connections winning the same race last year too.
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Totally agree - he gave Phil Smith all of the power. He had to win to go up the 8-9 pounds required to get into the race but in doing so, he gave Smith the ability to choose his mark. 16 pounds is probably excessive but "if you play with fire....."
 
Just goes to prove how hard Phil smiths job is, trying to guess what trainers are hiding, and then trainers moan about him 2nd guessing them
I always like the horses that run in 4 or 5 runner novice chase and always finishing 2nd 3rd behind a hot pot from big stable
(Like hollywell)
Pipe did with doctor Harper last year trying to get nice handicap mark, looked to be doing similar thing with starchitect this year, and that's why I like BLAZER, has anyone spied any other similar profile horses
 
Mr mulligan said:
Just goes to prove how hard Phil smiths job is, trying to guess what trainers are hiding, and then trainers moan about him 2nd guessing them
I always like the horses that run in 4 or 5 runner novice chase and always finishing 2nd 3rd behind a hot pot from big stable
(Like hollywell)
Pipe did with doctor Harper last year trying to get nice handicap mark, looked to be doing similar thing with starchitect this year, and that's why I like BLAZER, has anyone spied any other similar profile horses
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Romain De Senam
 
Handicaps create that Mr Mull, everyone wants to gain an advantage, call them clever, manipulative or even cheats, but it's the nature of handicap, why show all your cards for a 4k guff race when a few pound could be the difference between you winning and losing a 50k prize....
 
I'm all for it, as that's part of the puzzle, trying to sieve them out,

Just dislike it when trainers moan about there handicap marks, when they are all trying to hide it's true marks
 
Really getting stuck into the handicaps now, no denying tombstone is well in after his defeat of jezki the other day.. Thought Gordon Elliott might of had a few to many at the preview night last night he was tipping up every runner he has.. Like brother tedd in the handicap on the 1st day.. Holywell and the Druids nephew will go close in the ultimate, long call and Derin bere have good Fred winter form.. Battleford is quite interesting in the pipe.. And a bit of an outsider for the coral cup.. Tagelletelle at 40/1.. Maybe didn't get home in the pertemps last year and off a decent mark has a chance.. Got ta fancy dandridge in the grand annual and le prezion looks interesting.. Can't have CoC in the cross country.. Typical case of shit handicap mark so warm up for the national..
 
Don't think Brother Tedd will get a run in the Novice Handicap CW.

Ive just been toying with backing Taglietelle myself for the coral. He ran in the race two years ago and arguably should have won as Carbs over did the waiting tactics, finishing a close up 4th. I was all over him last year in the Pertemps and Jack Kennedy have him a beautiful ride but he just didn't get up the hill, after traveling well turning for home.

He can be competitive off his current mark but he also has an entry in the MP. Do you think he is more likely to run in the Coral Cup than the MP?
 
Absolutely no chance he runs in the pipe.. The story teller has been laid out for that race and tag won't have the pace for that. At 40/1 he's worth £10 ew
 
I've took 50/1 Nrnb in the MP race. GE said he'd be running lots in the race. I will back him if he turns up in the Coral Cup though.
 
If you've got that attitude faugheen I'd back him in both, if he gets smashed for the CC you'd hate to miss the price and with NRNB you'll only pay once.. It's a lottery of a race and he's got all the hallmarks of been laid out for the race
 
I'm looking to get with Lac Fontana in the Martin Pipe but he's shorter with the only 2 bookies I can play with, may have to be patient...
 
Agree ista, I'm on at 14/1 with B365.. And I get the feeling PFN is trying to contain his excitement with lac, mentioning brio conti as his best bet.. Ticks a lot of boxes for me
 
Struggling to see why there has been a bit of support for Winter Escape in the County. Everything about his form would suggest flat track and we haven't seen him since what can only be described as pathetic performance in the Greatwood.
 
kinloch brae said:
Struggling to see why there has been a bit of support for Winter Escape in the County. Everything about his form would suggest flat track and we haven't seen him since what can only be described as pathetic performance in the Greatwood.
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Ran of 142 in November

Brain Power ran of 145 and Modus 140

a bit of scope there.
 
I've heard some very light rumours that Codd will be taking the Mall Dini ride in the Kim Muir.

Has anyone heard the same?
 
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