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2024 Novice Hurdlers

Ballyburn awarded an RPR 165 for his Ballymore win. That’s the best hurdle performance so far this week, including the Champion Hurdle. The best Ballymore performance in the last 10 years, 3lb higher than Impaire Et Passe last year. Only Constitution Hill and Altior have run to higher RPRs in any novice hurdle in the last 10 years.
 
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kinloch brae said:
Lucky Place gave the Gidleigh Park form a little boost today. That said I would like to see both trainer/jock in much better form. So far the English novices have looked distinctly second best. Gidleigh Park needs to be a cut above what we have seen so far.
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Yep, right now it’s looking ominous for the nov chasers next season.
Worrying times for British racing imo
 
Carnage at Taunton said:
Yep, right now it’s looking ominous for the nov chasers next season.
Worrying times for British racing imo
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But everyone says worrying times for British racing, it's becoming a broken record, but nothing meaningful is done leading to the next year it being every more dire.

Not you obviously unless you're the BHA.

All I've heard in the last few years re Irish and specifically Mullins dominance is that oh it's cyclical. Hard to see how things can be re-balanced.
 
Its an issue for all of racing not just british. Mullins is too dominant and something needs to give. Wether thats a limit on the amount of horses you can train for a certain owner (when you train over a hundred horses) I dont know. Paul Nicholls and Dan Skelton should be sent some of these Donnelly horses over henderson in my opinion. I think these huge owners have a responsibility themselves to share the wealth. JP knows the score, nearly every trainer in England and ireland has one of his horses.

Id love to see Chevely, Munir, Donnelly or Ricci horses running for the likes of skelton and nicholls and Pauling etc…. If your heavily invested in the sport, then you have a duty of care to ensure its future. Sending all your good horses to one man means you are part of the problem, if not the absolute problem and can get in the bin.
 
Irish Rugby said:
But everyone says worrying times for British racing, it's becoming a broken record, but nothing meaningful is done leading to the next year it being every more dire.

Not you obviously unless you're the BHA.

All I've heard in the last few years re Irish and specifically Mullins dominance is that oh it's cyclical. Hard to see how things can be re-balanced.
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Yeah, I should probably have said more worrying!!
Not sure where we will be if this dominance continues and builds
 
kinloch brae said:
It's an overused word, but Ballyburn was brilliant today. All the negatives about the race were completely put to bed.

I hope there isn't another battle about targets next season. Hopefully, he will be just as exciting in staying novice chases next season. It doesn't, or shouldn't, take much to work that out. Just take a look at what happens from turning into the straight. That's a horse who relishes distance. Turners or Brown Advisory, that should be the only discussion. Starting at 2m4f should give the steer.

I have no idea why the trainer was immediately talking about a Champion Hurdle. Bonkers stuff. This horse has the pedigree of a three mile chaser and his performances only confirm that idea. It shouldn't matter a jot, but Mullins already has State Man and Lossiemouth for the Champion Hurdle. It would be a complete waste to send this horse in that direction. Fingers crossed someone brings him to his senses.
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Imo he’s the best chance they have of beating CH next year.
They could try and emulate Dawn Run
CH and GCup
 
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They'll probably tinker with races. More competitive means less chance for novices, both hurdlers and chasers, to avoid each other, and more handicaps. Suspect they'll bottle that and not be radical enough.

Now they're saddled with 4 days, which I was against at the time, probably means just 6 races a day unless you have a B race handicap as well as an A one like we see on the flat. That will lead to complaints that it's just not the best horses turning up, but it's most likely a fair compromise.

Did all days bar Friday sell out in the end? As long as they're plenty through the turnstiles they'll do nothing but if from next year not even Gold Cup day is a sellout,the rot has truly set in.
 
Exar Essay said:
Ballyburn awarded an RPR 165 for his Ballymore win. That’s the best hurdle performance so far this week, including the Champion Hurdle. The best Ballymore performance in the last 10 years, 3lb higher than Impaire Et Passe last year. Only Constitution Hill and Altior have run to higher RPRs in any novice hurdle in the last 10 years.
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Upgraded to 168 which is quite something. Only Constitution Hill has been awarded a higher rating in novice hurdles in the last 10 years.
 
Exar Essay said:
Upgraded to 168 which is quite something. Only Constitution Hill has been awarded a higher rating in novice hurdles in the last 10 years.
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Already placed loads of Turners / BANC multis with him in so it's typical he's going to end up in the CHurdle
 
Exar Essay said:
Upgraded to 168 which is quite something. Only Constitution Hill has been awarded a higher rating in novice hurdles in the last 10 years.
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I think he'll go chasing but not sure of target, 10s for churdle 365 probably worth taking. Shades of Faugheen.

I'd be with Constitution Hill though if turning up.
 
Ballyburn is brilliant. Constitution Hill is Frankelesque though. Ballyburn will go chasing. Ronnie will want a Gold Cup winner.
 
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I've said before that Ballyburn isn't bred for 2 miles. Even his win at Leopardstown was more of a stamina test due to the omitted hurdle.

Willie knows this and, even when appearing to consider the Champion Hurdle, he mentioned the stamina on the dam's side.
 
archie said:
I've said before that Ballyburn isn't bred for 2 miles. Even his win at Leopardstown was more of a stamina test due to the omitted hurdle.

Willie knows this and, even when appearing to consider the Champion Hurdle, he mentioned the stamina on the dam's side.
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You'd imagine the right move if they are seriously considering a champion hurdle bid, would be to drop him back to 2m at punchestown on better ground and see if he is just as dominant as yesterday. Rather than wait until next season and end up wasting a year if they find out next Xmas that he's not quick enough for a champion hurdle after all, like what happened with impaire et passe.
 
riccirich said:
You'd imagine the right move if they are seriously considering a champion hurdle bid, would be to drop him back to 2m at punchestown on better ground and see if he is just as dominant as yesterday. Rather than wait until next season and end up wasting a year if they find out next Xmas that he's not quick enough for a champion hurdle after all, like what happened with impaire et passe.
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They should run him against state man at punchestown if they really want to find out.
 
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