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2023 Arkle Novices Chase

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Although I certainly take the form of the 2 runner race with a pinch of salt. Jonbon clearly ran below par due to the circumstances etc.

Calico actually running like that (pretty much to his mark) doesn't help Jonbon who's rated 22lb the better.
Means about as much as the 2 runner race did.
Nowt.

Had he bounded clear today then that would have helped for sure.
Had he bombed out, then that would have meant nowt also.
 
Quevega said:
Although I certainly take the form of the 2 runner race with a pinch of salt. Jonbon clearly ran below par due to the circumstances etc.

Calico actually running like that (pretty much to his mark) doesn't help Jonbon who's rated 22lb the better.
Means about as much as the 2 runner race did.
Nowt.

Had he bounded clear today then that would have helped for sure.
Had he bombed out, then that would have meant nowt also.
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Agree. It's a murky picture at best.

Jonbon backers must want something in behind to do something of real note, but it's just not happening.

EF to wipe the floor with Jonbon anyone? :beaten::devilish:
 
charlie said:
Agree. It's a murky picture at best.

Jonbon backers must want something in behind to do something of real note, but it's just not happening.

EF to wipe the floor with Jonbon anyone? :beaten::devilish:
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I’m pretty happy with everything I’ve seen from Jonbon.
Just waiting for the race now to see how it all pans out.
Its poised nicely.
 
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I think Jonbon had been left with work to do when it beat Calico, but I would personally mark that Calico performance up a notch today given he did not jump with much fluency for the first mile and clattered a few.

i personally have Jonbon, EF and DD all covered at double figure prices so don’t mind, but actual preference would be for DD to go off out front and make it a real test with all three jumping the last in a line. No excuses for anyone.
 
charlie said:
Agree. It's a murky picture at best.

Jonbon backers must want something in behind to do something of real note, but it's just not happening.

EF to wipe the floor with Jonbon anyone? :beaten::devilish:
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:excitement: There we have it. Knew they'd be one even if Calico won.
 
That form line isn’t great at all, Jonbon clearly ran lbs below where we expect him to be, we all know that

my concern with Jonbon is that I think he has a low ceiling, compared to a horse like El Fab that is still lightly raced and think he could still improve on top of his DRF run

Jonbon will place, but will he win! Struggling to side with him
 
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Kevloaf said:
Now I've seen Gavin Cromwell say Grand Annual is most likely as only 1lb higher than in Ireland, I've actually taken the 20/1 NRNB for the Arkle .... in case one of the big ones misses is.


El Fabiolo
Jonbon
Dysart Dynamo
Saint Roi

Are they the only runners? :indecisiveness:

The 14/1 e/w for Saint Roi surely won't last
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Hollow Games NR today. May add to the list of runners here but also has a Grand Annual entry
 
PresentingPercy said:
Hollow Games NR today. May add to the list of runners here but also has a Grand Annual entry
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How many on the day NR's have Bective Stud had this year ?


Hollow Games already one I've got e/w at 66/1 but would take the 50/1 if I hadn't...
 
charlie said:
Them's the rules. If Jonbon wins I'll roll with the punch :boxing::highly_amused:
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I want Dysart, he's my number one, but I think Jonbon & El Fab both go with great chances. Looking forward to the race :victorious:
 
charlie said:
Danny to ride??
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I would imagine so, yeah mate.

Hopefully will set slightly slower fractions than at the DRF, and leave something in reserve. The 1f shorter trip will almost certainly suit as will the extra fences, just need the fractions right.
 
Jonbon is a bit shite isn't he.:devilish:

He got absolutely destroyed in the Supreme last year..... you can say he was 2nd all you like.... beaten 22L might as well be 22nd. That is being THRASED. He managed to finish 2L ahead of Kilcruit in that Supreme. Kilcruit! Kilcruit isn't even sighted in the Novice Chases this year and won't be winning a handicap either..... awful Supreme.

Constitution Hill thrashing him doesn't take away from him obviously, but he's being massively, massively over rated.:indecisiveness:



Jonbon over fences has beaten Monmiral, who got beat then by The Real Whacker and then 27L by Gerri Colombe. Is that good?

He's beaten Boothill - who since then has lost to Tommy's Oscar and Solo, and beaten a handicap hurdler Aucinrisque - is that good?

He's then beaten another handicapper easily enough in Calcio - is that good?


In what world is this horse favourite for an Arkle?! When he's up against a that Irish Arkle winner?

Maybe it's because his best piece of form is at Aintree, beating El Fabiolo .... now ignoring how 'unlucky' EF was..... based on chase form this year.... El Fabiolo just has to be clear doesn't he? I feel like Dysart Dyanamo, Banbridge and Appreicate It could have easily done the same as Jonbon so far.

Match bet.... .El Fabiolo beats Jonbon easily, doesn't he? :eek:
 
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Kevloaf said:
Jonbon is a bit shite isn't he.:devilish:

He got absolutely destroyed in the Supreme last year..... you can say he was 2nd all you like.... beaten 22L might as well be 22nd. That is being THRASED. He managed to finish 2L ahead of Kilcruit in that Supreme. Kilcruit! Kilcruit isn't even sighted in the Novice Chases this year and won't be winning a handicap either..... awful Supreme.

Constitution Hill thrashing him doesn't take away from him obviously, but he's being massively, massively over rated.:indecisiveness:



Jonbon over fences has beaten Monmiral, who got beat then by The Real Whacker and then 27L by Gerri Colombe. Is that good?

He's beaten Boothill - who since then has lost to Tommy's Oscar and Solo, and beaten a handicap hurdler Aucinrisque - is that good?

He's then beaten another handicapper easily enough in Calcio - is that good?


In what world is this horse favourite for an Arkle?! When he's up against a that Irish Arkle winner?

Maybe it's because his best piece of form is at Aintree, beating El Fabiolo .... now ignoring how 'unlucky' EF was..... based on chase form this year.... El Fabiolo just has to be clear doesn't he? I feel like Dysart Dyanamo, Banbridge and Appreicate It could have easily done the same as Jonbon so far.

Match bet.... .El Fabiolo beats Jonbon easily, doesn't he? :eek:
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This is actually perfect, hit the nail on the head.

Spot on :applouse:

fuck Jonplod.
 
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I agree, a good round of jumping will see El Fab in the winners enclosure. Might not need to be foot perfect even. I think he’s improving a lot with every run!
 
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Kevloaf said:
Jonbon is a bit shite isn't he.:devilish:

He got absolutely destroyed in the Supreme last year..... you can say he was 2nd all you like.... beaten 22L might as well be 22nd. That is being THRASED. He managed to finish 2L ahead of Kilcruit in that Supreme. Kilcruit! Kilcruit isn't even sighted in the Novice Chases this year and won't be winning a handicap either..... awful Supreme.

Constitution Hill thrashing him doesn't take away from him obviously, but he's being massively, massively over rated.:indecisiveness:



Jonbon over fences has beaten Monmiral, who got beat then by The Real Whacker and then 27L by Gerri Colombe. Is that good?

He's beaten Boothill - who since then has lost to Tommy's Oscar and Solo, and beaten a handicap hurdler Aucinrisque - is that good?

He's then beaten another handicapper easily enough in Calcio - is that good?


In what world is this horse favourite for an Arkle?! When he's up against a that Irish Arkle winner?

Maybe it's because his best piece of form is at Aintree, beating El Fabiolo .... now ignoring how 'unlucky' EF was..... based on chase form this year.... El Fabiolo just has to be clear doesn't he? I feel like Dysart Dyanamo, Banbridge and Appreicate It could have easily done the same as Jonbon so far.

Match bet.... .El Fabiolo beats Jonbon easily, doesn't he? :eek:
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This is pretty bias shite :devilish:
You rate el fabiolo but you think the only horse to have beaten him( since joining wpm) is shite :boxing:
If Jonbon was ridden how kilcruit was in the supreme he wouldn't have been only 2 lengths ahead of him at the end, i think you know this.
Jonbon is unbeaten over fences, you can only beat what's in front of you.
Based on chase form this year, El fabiolo is trained in ireland where the strength in depth is much greater, means it's pretty long odds on the best irish 2 miler would have better form than the best british 2 miler pre cheltenham, no? :barbershop_quartet_member:
 
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