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2017 Champion Hurdle

Well I am glad thats over! (touch wood)

IF Annie does has an interupted prep, (it is the only reason I can see her not being in the CH) ... PaddyPower are 17/1 for the Faugheen CH / Annie Mares double.... not sure that is big enough to have 'a saver' on? Thoughts?
 
Kevloaf said:
Well I am glad thats over! (touch wood)

IF Annie does has an interupted prep, (it is the only reason I can see her not being in the CH) ... PaddyPower are 17/1 for the Faugheen CH / Annie Mares double.... not sure that is big enough to have 'a saver' on? Thoughts?
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Dont forget VVM.
 
VVM would go for the World or over a fence? If Annie doesn't go for the CH, she can only go for the Mares?


Pfft, I have cooled down I won't back anything now haha
 
Haha! I'm not even going to try and second guess where VVM will go. I enjoy trying to guess the targets of Mullins horses but she is just on another level - anyone who guesses her correct target at this stage is a genius as far as i'm concerned :highly_amused:

Not sure I want to add anymore bets involving Annie and Faugheen yet. I'd want to see them get a race in them before I back them again whatever the combination

Happy that the Annie retirement talk were nothing but rumours. Feel quite happy now that I have Yorkhill backed for this, not that his price has changed but just because I don't need to keep worrying about him going for this race every day. I'll be massively better off if Annie goes here and Yorkhill goes JLT but at least he's covered and I know for sure that price will tumble if he is confirmed.
 
If Annie Power doesn't turn up here, Faugheen will and that's enough to stop me getting too involved in this race. Either of those two are head and shoulders above the rest imo.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
If Annie Power doesn't turn up here, Faugheen will and that's enough to stop me getting too involved in this race. Either of those two are head and shoulders above the rest imo.
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Similarly to jono, I will be much better off (potentially) if Yorkhill goes chasing...

however, today has made me think a lot and I think if it was my decision, I'd be staying over hurdles. I think his Neptune win, potential to improve and lack of any credible opponents (juveniles looking poor, last years similar novices going for different targets (Altior Arkle / Yanworth World Hurdle) and potential doubts about the Ricci horses wellbeing) means he would be a stone-cold certainty to place in the Champion Hurdle this season.

I'd rather win the CH than the JLT, so I suppose the decision might be made on whether they think he can step up into a Gold Cup/Champion Chaser in the 2018 season?! --- A lot of water to go under the bridge then?
 
VVM won the Punchestown Champion Hurdle over two miles and at Ascot over almost three. Highly thought of.
 
They obviously rate Yorkhill highly but his performances at Aintree and Punchestown set the alarm bells ringing with me so I'd like to see him back on the track before I consider him a serious being prospect. He was one of a few horses to go to all three spring festivals and that can have an impact.
 
VVM the next Champagne Fever, will go wherever connections don't send her stablemates...
 
If Annie and Faugheen dont go to the fest. If I was RR I would be tempted to send Douvan here and VVM to the QMCC. Just a thought
 
mayo said:
VVM won the Punchestown Champion Hurdle over two miles and at Ascot over almost three. Highly thought of.
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I don't think they do rate her that highly compared to other horses... to be labelled "the super sub" isn't grand praise. By definition it means she is just below what they consider their top horses....

Of course I am sure they like her, but they haven't ever tried anything ambitious so far and if they did decide to 'go for it' they could well send her KG and for the Gold Cup... at least she is proven over the trip?

Despite all that though, you're right, I sort of forgot her...I'd have her as fav for the CH if Annie and Faugheen weren't running so it is a good point that I hadn't really given much thought to!
 
Aldie1988 said:
If Annie and Faugheen dont go to the fest. If I was RR I would be tempted to send Douvan here and VVM to the QMCC. Just a thought
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As mayo pointed out, VVM has already won an open company 2m grade 1 and beat the same horses Annie did... so would make much more sense to send her for the CH and don't mess aropund with Douvan on his path to greatness
 
Completely agree. Just exciting to think at the strength of all these horses mentioned. I hope to god Douvan turns up at the KG and stays. Would be unbelievable tv if he won on the bridle ;)
 
Another alternative option on the Rich Ricci / Mullins merry go round...

Ditch the chasing planning for Min and have him go for the Champion Hurdle, leaving Yorkhill to go for the Arkle.

As good as the Ricci horses are it just shows how bad the likely turnout for the race is that any horse he'd enter would go off favourite whether it's Faugheen, Annie, Min, Yorkhill, VVM
 
To me, it shows why it's not good to have all these good horse with one owner / trainer. Imagine if Vautour / Annie Power/ Faugheen had run against each other. That would have been a race for the ages!
 
Absolutely. I thin k I had forgotten the comments regarding VVM after the win at Punches...

"She's always worked with incredible pace. Looking at her you'd think she'd want a trip, but in the last piece of work before the Champion Hurdle we were wondering if we'd put the right mare in.

"I always had faith in her. She was winning over further because of her class, I wasn't sure she was really staying.

"When I asked her round the bend she pricked her ears so I knew she had loads left. She's a diamond."

Mullins added: "She did a spectacular piece of work before Cheltenham and we were left wondering, 'Did we supplement the right mare for the Champion Hurdle?'

"She can go any road now. She's good enough to run in the Champion Hurdle races and she's good enough to run over fences at any level.

"She'd be quick enough to run in the Champion Hurdle or she could go over fences. She's so relaxed that she will stay as well. We've just climbed, climbed and climbed up the ladder with her.

I wouldn't lay her in this
 
To me, it shows why it's not good to have all these good horse with one owner / trainer. Imagine if Vautour / Annie Power/ Faugheen had run against each other. That would have been a race for the ages!
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Very true. It took an injury to Faugheen to allow us to see just how good Annie Power can be. Imagine if he hadn't of picked up his injury and Annie went into the Mares race last year. For sure that would have been her path for 1 or maybe 2 more seasons and she'd have never had the opportunity to mix it in the best races

I think VVM is good enough to mix it with the majority of top class horses too. (though i don't think she is at Annie's level) We still don't know how good she can be. Then you add in the 7lb allowance and she could be deadly.

Great quotes there, I had forgotten about his talk of the champion hurdle after that race
 
I have backed Yanworth for this now.

They already have Jezki and YouknowwhatImean and possibly Ivan G for the World Hurdle.

Mares looks easier for Jers Girl.

Yanworth inclined to run with choke out so a truly run two mile might just be the trick - will pull too hard over three ?
 
I'd forgot about Jezki. I like your logic with Yanworth.
 
Also MTOY going handicap route ? Dropped 6 lbs for last week.
 
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