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2016 Ryanair

Vautour runs here then, common sense has prevailed but this or the QM should always have been the target, another kick in the teeth for those who are all in for the Gold cup though
 
Ive been taken for a mug along with every punter who believed Ricci, Mullins and co who have said all along Vautour was going for the Gold Cup.I have no problem with the horse going for the Ryanair or any race but the point is we punters have all been shafted and it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.Just watched Mullins trying to explain the decision on the morning line and even he was squirming trying to give the reason....total crap...and a bad way to start the festival for thousands of punters...
 
iainmcf said:
Ive been taken for a mug along with every punter who believed Ricci, Mullins and co who have said all along Vautour was going for the Gold Cup.I have no problem with the horse going for the Ryanair or any race but the point is we punters have all been shafted and it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.Just watched Mullins trying to explain the decision on the morning line and even he was squirming trying to give the reason....total crap...and a bad way to start the festival for thousands of punters...
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That camp are a bunch of dogs iain, all in the bookies pockets.
 
iainmcf said:
Ive been taken for a mug along with every punter who believed Ricci, Mullins and co who have said all along Vautour was going for the Gold Cup.I have no problem with the horse going for the Ryanair or any race but the point is we punters have all been shafted and it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.Just watched Mullins trying to explain the decision on the morning line and even he was squirming trying to give the reason....total crap...and a bad way to start the festival for thousands of punters...
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All true, and made worse by Mullins saying it was on his mind all along
 
MrMcGoldrick said:
All true, and made worse by Mullins saying it was on his mind all along
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It's disgraceful…in my opinion the worst part about festival horse racing is watching Mullins screw over the average punter year after year. Just be transparent
 
I think it's the right decision for the horse; wait another year for a crack at the Gold Cup, but it does leave a sour taste. Mullins has been particularly bad this year for giving misinformation about where his horses are heading; does he actually expect punters to believe he has no idea what races suit so many horses until the last minute or when a decision is apparently made on a whim?
 
HardyEustace said:
I think it's the right decision for the horse; wait another year for a crack at the Gold Cup, but it does leave a sour taste. Mullins has been particularly bad this year for giving misinformation about where his horses are heading; does he actually expect punters to believe he has no idea what races suit so many horses until the last minute or when a decision is apparently made on a whim?
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The quote of "gold cup or nothing" is what's done it. Why even say that if theres a minute chance they may pull this stunt. But yes it is the right horse for him, I just despise the naive innocent act Mullins and Ricci put on! Rant over
 
Vautour late switch, Black Hercules late switch, Yorkhill late switch, Bellshill late switch, Vroom Vroom late switch, Annie Power late switch, Shaneshill late switch......its a no brainer to forget ante post betting unless NRNB!!!
 
iainmcf said:
Vautour late switch, Black Hercules late switch, Yorkhill late switch, Bellshill late switch, Vroom Vroom late switch, Annie Power late switch, Shaneshill late switch......its a no brainer to forget ante post betting unless NRNB!!!
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Other trainers are available ...but lousy form
 
I have to say, Mullins couldn't have hand picked a worse way to start the Festival. I won't argue with the decision, it makes sense and it's theirs to make, but the way Rich Ricci's handled this is extraordinarily naive.

We all know the comments, but to delete the YouTube video is a weasel move. Gold Cup backers can't follow him into the Ryanair as the price is prohibitive. This whole episode isn't going away, it's all ante post backers will talk about in the build-up to next year.
 
I sympathise with all Vatour backers for gold cup but I never saw him running 2 of his against each other, not what any of you want to hear right now which I accept.
Find some winners and I hope any ante post losses are recoverd with interest, good luck all
 
Betbright have paid out on Vautour as the winner of the Gold cup ...
 
You also have to feel for the ryanair ap backers, i.e. the likes of Al Ferof etc.
 
I simply won't back Vautour, even if he's even money. I suspect that there are problems with his work and he may well be a stone, or more, under his best.

I've planned to back Josses Hill for a while, and seeing as Paddy Power have given me £25 free bets for my army of 2nd place horses, they're going on Josses Hill @ 18/1. No each way, straight win.
 
stephensmith84 said:
I simply won't back Vautour, even if he's even money. I suspect that there are problems with his work and he may well be a stone, or more, under his best.

I've planned to back Josses Hill for a while, and seeing as Paddy Power have given me £25 free bets for my army of 2nd place horses, they're going on Josses Hill @ 18/1. No each way, straight win.
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I know what you mean SS, I have 2 sizeable bets from multis going onto Vautour in this at 3's, had the same multis with him in the other 2 races as well. My gut feeling is that the 90% fit line is a face saver for Ricci who, in my view, has simply bowed to the experts in the camp that have been trying to convince him for several weeks that the Gold cup trip is likely beyond him, and better to win a fez race than come a creditable 3rd or 4th after being warned. Given the unreliability of info coming from that source I would be wary of lumping onto anything against him, even below capacity, if that turns out to be true, he is still the most likely winner, but I remember at the end of last week reading a comment from Mullins stating that he was delighted with Vautours latest piece of work, as I say there's an awful lot of ambiguity in the various commentary,
 
Vautour should win guys even at 90%. If he wasn't fit he wouldn't be here?
 
loveracing said:
Vautour should win guys even at 90%. If he wasn't fit he wouldn't be here?
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That's the question. He's my favourite horse in training, but as McGoldrick rightfully says, the commentary around his participation has been truly rank.

I'm happy to take a punt on something at a massive price with free bets. Part of the collateral damage is that his Gold Cup backers can't exactly follow him into the Ryanair at that price.

Lee Mottershead, Alastair Down & Paul Kealy got it right in today's Racing Post. If Vautour wins, it should be greeted by silence. Not to punish the horse, but Ruby, Mulling and Ricci all have a hand in this and are all accountable. Rather than enhance the Ryanair at the expense of the Gold Cup, they've weakened both races and the Festival is worse off.

With no Coneygree and no Vautour, the Gold Cup is now a bang average renewal. This was supposed to be one for the ages. Not to be.
 
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stephensmith84 said:
That's the question. He's my favourite horse in training, but as McGoldrick rightfully says, the commentary around his participation has been truly rank.

I'm happy to take a punt on something at a massive price with free bets. Part of the collateral damage is that his Gold Cup backers can't exactly follow him into the Ryanair at that price.

Lee Mottershead, Alastair Down & Paul Kealy got it right in today's Racing Post. If Vautour wins, it should be greeted by silence. Not to punish the horse, but Ruby, Mulling and Ricci all have a hand in this and are all accountable. Rather than enhance the Ryanair at the expense of the Gold Cup, they've weakened both races and the Festival is worse off.

With no Coneygree and no Vautour, the Gold Cup is now a bang average renewal. This was supposed to be one for the ages. Not to be.
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I agree SS, and btw JH is 12/1 w/o Vautour with 365. I think you may have convinced me to have a go. :encouragement:
 
loveracing said:
I agree SS, and btw JH is 12/1 w/o Vautour with 365. I think you may have convinced me to have a go. :encouragement:
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JH is the second leg of Bazzers ew charity double isn't it, Spec Tiara having been placed at a tasty price as the first part
 
IMO There is nothing wrong with Vautour, he's 100% - Ruby said as much on C4 this morning.
All this 90% b****cks is just part of the Mullins/Walsh/Ricci axis of evil smoke screen.
Mullins squirmed horribly on Tuesday when asked why he wasn't going for the GC.

I think he'll be backed off the boards this afternoon go off at about 4/6 and then win by half the track metaphorically giving a large V sign to all the punters who backed him for the Gold Cup.
 
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