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2016 Arkle Trophy Novices Chase

Old Vic said:
Over 2.5 miles.....
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Fear not


"He looks well, he's in good order and he's ready to run," said the Norton-based trainer.

"He was always going to strengthen up over the summer and I think he has.

"There actually aren't that many races he can run in coming up. There's a lot of novice handicaps and things, but not too many open novice chases.

"We thought we might as well get him started as it sounds like they've got some good ground up there (Perth) and we'll see how he gets on.

"Two and a half miles probably isn't his ideal trip, but he should be all right around here. I'm hoping he'll be a two-mile chaser.

"We're just starting to run the horses that have been out at grass for the summer now. They might need a run, but I'm very happy with where they at the moment.

"This time last year we were having a lot of dry weather, we couldn't get a lot of them out and they do get a bit bored doing the same thing day in, day out at home, so it's nice to get a few going."
 
Couldn't really be impressed by that, understand that trip was too far and he may have needed a run but if Douvan goes chasing and is at least half as good as what is expected or what he showed over hurdles the arkle is a lost cause for Cyrus Darius, jumping was just not up to that grade
 
gjt7756 said:
Couldn't really be impressed by that, understand that trip was too far and he may have needed a run but if Douvan goes chasing and is at least half as good as what is expected or what he showed over hurdles the arkle is a lost cause for Cyrus Darius, jumping was just not up to that grade
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Id give him another chance but did the same with a few of Hendos recent dodgy Arkle jumpers...some of them just dont like fences.
 
Just saw this on the stable tours thread

Henderson feels his strength lies with his Novice-Chasers this year. That includes L'AMI SERGE VANITEUX and SIGN OF A VICTORY will go over 2m.

CUP FINAL will go Novice Chasing and Henderson says on breeding "He'll likely want a trip..".
BEAT THAT and CALL THE COPS are to represent Henderson's Staying Chasers. CARACCI APACHE and LESSONS IN MILAN will do likewise.
THEINVAL and VYTA DU ROC are to run at around 2 and a 1/2 miles.
 
When it comes to chasing it has to be left to the best in my book and many others too, and thats paul nicholls, the arkle and the gold cup set aside as they seem almost destined to be heading back to ireland any chasers that paul sends out are there to do the business, especially second season chasers, henderson has let down time and time agian now over the bigger obstacles, even now his stable tour and comments were all on former stars bobs worth and sprinter sacre coming back to form, no new season chasers to even mention, ones with any real confidence anyway, nicholls and mullins to clean up the chasing division
 
A nice debut from Kitten Rock. Drifted alarmingly in the betting beforehand but jumped nicely and quickened up after the last. Rated 160 over hurdles, he has the class to be competitive in an Arkle.
 
Do we know when Douvan has his first engagement for the season planned, could be the difference between him being 5/2 for the arkle or 5/4 after he canters round by 15 lengths without touching a twig on the way round!!
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
A nice debut from Kitten Rock. Drifted alarmingly in the betting beforehand but jumped nicely and quickened up after the last. Rated 160 over hurdles, he has the class to be competitive in an Arkle.
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A 160 rated hurdler would be favourite in most Arkles. Brian O'Connor gives a positive mention:
There's plenty to look forward to but it isn't just the proximity of his successful chasing debut that will make Kitten Rock's progress through the chasing ranks particularly fascinating this winter. Possessed of the class to get within less than ten lengths of Faugheen in the Champion Hurdle, Edward O'Grady's charge has always looked likely to get better over fences.

Navan did nothing to disprove that, nor the suspicion that he is good enough to provide his legendary trainer with a welcome return to the Grade 1 winner's enclosure.
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Donn

Sizing John - Henry de Bromhead

Sizing John was beaten three times by Douvan over hurdles last season, but there is no disgrace in that, especially for a horse who was always going to be better over fences. Winner of the Grade 1 Future Champions Novice Hurdle at Leopardstown, he ran a cracker to finish third behind Douvan and Shaneshill in the Supreme Novices' Hurdle when he raced aggressively and prominently in a race that was run at a fast pace. The winning time was 3.4secs faster than the time that Faugheen took to cover the same course and distance in the Champion Hurdle 70 minutes later. He was very good on his debut over fences at Punchestown last month, he is a real chasing type, just a five-year-old who should continue to progress over fences. He could step up in trip but, for now, it looks like his astute trainer is set to campaign him as an Arkle prospect.
 
The comparison with Faugheen time is as ridiculous as you'll get in horse racing. Not even over flat and shorter trips the overall time bears no meaning, let alone over 2 miles.
 
oceans said:
The comparison with Faugheen time is as ridiculous as you'll get in horse racing. Not even over flat and shorter trips the overall time bears no meaning, let alone over 2 miles.
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He does qualify it himself oceans .."a race that was run at a fast pace".

De Bromhead does better with chasers than hurdlers so more interested in that angle myself.
 
mayo said:
Donn

Sizing John - Henry de Bromhead

Sizing John was beaten three times by Douvan over hurdles last season, but there is no disgrace in that, especially for a horse who was always going to be better over fences. Winner of the Grade 1 Future Champions Novice Hurdle at Leopardstown, he ran a cracker to finish third behind Douvan and Shaneshill in the Supreme Novices' Hurdle when he raced aggressively and prominently in a race that was run at a fast pace. The winning time was 3.4secs faster than the time that Faugheen took to cover the same course and distance in the Champion Hurdle 70 minutes later. He was very good on his debut over fences at Punchestown last month, he is a real chasing type, just a five-year-old who should continue to progress over fences. He could step up in trip but, for now, it looks like his astute trainer is set to campaign him as an Arkle prospect.
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I liked what I saw
 
Bristol De Mai surely well behind L'Ami Serge as Arkle candiate for owners ?

Jacob said on Racing UK afterwards: "He's very brave for a young horse. For a big horse he's a long neck and long back and that can get him out of trouble very quickly. I think he's going to get better in time and be a class horse.

"His only downfall is he's a little bit too keen. Two miles is as far as he wants to go [for the moment] as he's so exuberant."

Sky Bet were impressed and cut Bristol De Mai to 20/1 from 33s for the Arkle Trophy at the Cheltenham Festival in March.

Sky Bet spokesman Michael Shinners said: "That was a bold-jumping display from Bristol De Mai and he's clearly improved since his fencing debut at Uttoxeter."
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Douvan out this Sunday at Navan. Looking forward to this.
 
I'm just gutted i've not got on Douvan a lot more at his current price because i can only see him shortening after sunday
 
L'ami Serge could step up into a JLT horse if Bristol De Mai keeps improving
 
mayo said:
Had vyta De roc down as their JLT horse but plans could change
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He was tried over 3miles on his last run over hurdles, is he defo going chasing? Could they be tempted to try the RSA?
 
paz247 said:
He was tried over 3miles on his last run over hurdles, is he defo going chasing? Could they be tempted to try the RSA?
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Henderson said after Sefton he was going chasing and think he also highlighted him as one that could be exciting this year at his owners day. Unlucky in Neptune and well beaten by thistlecrack at Aintree but could do for either JLT or rsa ?
 
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