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2015 Fred Winter Thread

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Fred Winter Novices Hurdle Winners 2005-2014

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Fred Winter Hurdle Contenders

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Odds

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Spotted one at the weekend in Ireland. Connections have previous ;)
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Just noticed Bivouac has been given a mark of 139. Fred Winter has suddenly become very interesting.</p>— Ed Quigley (@Longshot_Ted) <a href="https://twitter.com/Longshot_Ted/status/561928640947314688">February 1, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
If Gordon is flagging up a Hostile Fire as a type for Fred Winter - back the other one !
 
Old Vic said:
If Gordon is flagging up a Hostile Fire as a type for Fred Winter - back the other one !
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Two here

CHATHAM HOUSE RULE and Barry Geraghty in the Grade 1 Juvenile Hurdle, he is a lovely sort and won well at Punchestown, he's in great order at home and his jumping has improved but he would need to step up his efforts in this to trouble the judge.

VERCINGETORIX and Davy Condon are in the same race, he made his winning Irish debut at Limerick at the end of December with an impressive performance, he's in great form at home and he is the best Juvenile we have.
 
Flagged up on bet fair?

Box Office - Trainer Jonjo O'Neill - Handicap Hurdles
Went into the notebook after making a very pleasing debut for the O'Neill yard at Taunton on January 27 when third behind a very much back-to-form Tornado In Milan.

A winner of three of his four starts in his native France, his only defeat was behind the impressive Chepstow Finale Juvenile Hurdle winner Bristol De Mai. Box Office was held up in rear for much of this race at Taunton where the eventual winner was given an uncontested lead and has subsequently been given a 15lb rise by the handicapper to a mark of 133.

The JP McManus-owned gelding holds an entry in the Triumph Hurdle at Cheltenham next month but is also now qualified for the Fred Winter Juvenile Novices' Handicap Hurdle. The last four winners of this race - Hawk High, Flaxen Flare, Une Artiste and What A Charm - were rated 130, 127, 127 and 115 respectively. Box Office already has a rating of 135!
 
dazzler said:
Flagged up on bet fair?

Box Office - Trainer Jonjo O'Neill - Handicap Hurdles
Went into the notebook after making a very pleasing debut for the O'Neill yard at Taunton on January 27 when third behind a very much back-to-form Tornado In Milan.
A winner of three of his four starts in his native France, his only defeat was behind the impressive Chepstow Finale Juvenile Hurdle winner Bristol De Mai. Box Office was held up in rear for much of this race at Taunton where the eventual winner was given an uncontested lead and has subsequently been given a 15lb rise by the handicapper to a mark of 1
.33.

The JP McManus-owned gelding holds an entry in the Triumph Hurdle at Cheltenham next month but is also now qualified for the Fred Winter Juvenile Novices' Handicap Hurdle. The last four winners of this race - Hawk High, Flaxen Flare, Une Artiste and What A Charm - were rated 130, 127, 127 and 115 respectively. Box Office already has a rating of 135!
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It looks as though horses lower down the weights are more backable prospects, this is usually the reason why trainers send their horses to the alternate races because they would be carrying too much weight in the handicaps. If Box Office ran again, and ran well, he could end up with a mark in excess of 140 so could face giving a stone and more to the rest of the field
 
Box Office will go on my shortlist ...
 
Jason

One of the horses I’m really getting excited about is Starchitect. Frustratingly, he bumped into another Henderson hotpot in the Musselburgh juvenile hurdle, beaten six lengths by Hargam. I think he could be a fantastic each-way chance for the Fred Winter Juvenile Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival and is roughly a similar mark to what the winner was last year

See more at: http://www.lovetheraces.com/feature...d-be-in-the-same-league-as-ballabriggs/#.dpuf
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>KABJOY could be an interesting runner for Jessica Harrington in the Fred Winter <a href="http://t.co/DHUuzzBk83">pic.twitter.com/DHUuzzBk83</a></p>— Oliver Brett (@sport_oliver) <a href="https://twitter.com/sport_oliver/status/568500389831696387">February 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Anyone looked at this or waiting for weights ?

Suspect probably need to have a rating of 127+ to get in and be only a few pounds above that to win. Tightrope for trainers and at whim of handicapper.

2014: Entries OR 127-139 Winner 130
2013: Entries OR 124-144 Winner 127
2012: Entries OR 125-138 Winner 127
2011: Entries OR 105-133 Winner 115
2010: Entries OR 122-135 Winner 127
2009: Entries OR 123-145 Winner 121 (ran under 5lb penalty)
 
mayo said:
Anyone looked at this or waiting for weights ?

Suspect probably need to have a rating of 127+ to get in and be only a few pounds above that to win. Tightrope for trainers and at whim of handicapper.

2014: Entries OR 127-139 Winner 130
2013: Entries OR 124-144 Winner 127
2012: Entries OR 125-138 Winner 127
2011: Entries OR 105-133 Winner 115
2010: Entries OR 122-135 Winner 127
2009: Entries OR 123-145 Winner 121 (ran under 5lb penalty)
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Zarib and Baron Alco the two I have nibbled at.

Both rated 133 so in your zone.
 
Could Arabian Revolution end up here?
His 2L 2nd to Beltor looks good now and @16/1 NRNB for this race. Or is he just another JF flat track horse?

All Yours is 10/1 NRNB and was 5L behind the same horse.
 
loveracing said:
Could Arabian Revolution end up here?
His 2L 2nd to Beltor looks good now and @16/1 NRNB for this race. Or is he just another JF flat track horse?

All Yours is 10/1 NRNB and was 5L behind the same horse.
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I would say yes. Devilment might be their main Triumph horse.
 
@BetfairRacing: . @Shockster67 "Old Guard, I assume Fred Winter over Triumph. Is 137 fair?" Fred Winter, not obviously well treated so may claim #AskPaul
 
I think Nicholls also claimed that All Yours is missing cheltenham to go straight to Aintree
 
Tony Martin mentioned Thunder Zone at Balbriggan.

Second to Kitten Rock at Gowran getting loads of weight.


Was 127 in Ireland before that run.
 
weights at lunchtime - first post should update
 
[h=1]Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle[/h]Grade 3, £75,000 Total Prize Fund. Cheltenham, 4.40pm, Wednesday, March 11, 2015, two miles and half a furlong. For juvenile four-year-olds only. Penalties: after February 22, a winner of a hurdle race 5lb. No penalty to increase a horse’s weight above 11st 10lb. Entries closed February 17 (70 entries), entries released February 19, weights revealed February 25. Six-day confirmation stage March 5, final declaration stage 10.00am, March 10. Maximum field of 22.

Horse
Age
Wgt
Owner
Trainer
DEVILMENT
4
11-10
Bloomfields
John Ferguson
PRUSSIAN EAGLE (IRE)
4
11-10
Michael L Keating
Charles O'Brien IRE
GOLDEN DOYEN (GER)
4
11-09
Merry Old Souls
Philip Hobbs
BIDOUREY (FR)
4
11-08
Brocade Racing
David Pipe
BIVOUAC (FR)
4
11-07
Potensis Bloodstock Ltd & Chris Giles
Nicky Henderson
GWENCILY BERBAS (FR)
4
11-07
Barry Connell
Alan Fleming IRE
DAI BANDO (IRE)
4
11-05
Mrs M Gittins
Ross O'Sullivan IRE
OFFICIEUX (FR)
4
11-05
Patricia Hunt
Noel Meade IRE
ARABIAN REVOLUTION
4
11-05
Bloomfields
John Ferguson
OLD GUARD
4
11-05
The Brooks, Kyle & Stewart Families
Paul Nicholls
ALL YOURS (FR)
4
11-05
Potensis Bloodstock Limited
Paul Nicholls
THE WALLACE LINE (IRE)
4
11-05
Diamond Racing Ltd
Tim Vaughan
THE SAINT JAMES (FR)
4
11-04
J P McManus
Jonjo O'Neill
CHATHAM HOUSE RULE
4
11-04
Gigginstown House Stud
Gordon Elliott IRE
VERCINGETORIX (IRE)
4
11-04
Simon Munir/Isaac Souede
Gordon Elliott IRE
GOODBYE DANCER (FR)
4
11-04
The Yes No Wait Sorries
Nigel Twiston-Davies
THUNDER ZONE
4
11-03
Gigginstown House Stud
Gordon Elliott IRE
BOX OFFICE (FR)
4
11-03
J P McManus
Jonjo O'Neill
BUISENESS SIVOLA (FR)
4
11-02
Simon Munir/Isaac Souede
Willie Mullins IRE
UNANIMITE (FR)
4
11-02
Simon Munir & Isaac Souede
David Pipe
BAIE DES ILES (FR)
4
11-02
Mrs Z Wentworth
Ross O'Sullivan IRE
JEANPASCAL (FR)
4
11-01
Dr Moira Hamlin
Venetia Williams
STARCHITECT (IRE)
4
11-01
Paul & Clare Rooney
Donald McCain
BOUVREUIL (FR)
4
11-01
Potensis Bloodstock Ltd & Chris Giles
Paul Nicholls
SOURIYAN (FR)
4
11-01
The GD Partnership
Jamie Snowden
ZARIB (IRE)
4
11-01
Notalotterry
Dan Skelton
NYANZA (GER)
4
11-00
Hunscote Stud
Alan King
MR GALLIVANTER (IRE)
4
10-13
Ross Harmon
John Quinn
QUALANDO (FR)
4
10-13
Kathy Stuart
Paul Nicholls
VERAWAL (IRE)
4
10-13
Supreme Horse Racing Club
Willie Mullins IRE
HOSTILE FIRE (IRE)
4
10-13
Mrs Pat Sloan
Gordon Elliott IRE
BARON ALCO (FR)
4
10-13
John Stone
Gary Moore
IBIS DU RHEU (FR)
4
10-13
John Hales
Paul Nicholls
BEATABOUT THE BUSH (IRE)
4
10-12
Ms S Howell
Henry Oliver
MICK JAZZ (FR)
4
10-12
Potensis Bloodstock Limited
Harry Fry
SEBASTIAN BEACH (IRE)
4
10-11
The Megsons
Jonjo O'Neill
ZAFAYAN (IRE)
4
10-11
Dr Ronan Lambe
Dermot Weld IRE
TARABIYN (IRE)
4
10-09
Supreme Horse Racing Club
Willie Mullins IRE
BLUE ATLANTIC (USA)
4
10-09
Roger Brookhouse
Warren Greatrex
NORSE LEGEND
4
10-09
Woodhaven Racing Syndicate
Chris Gordon
OFFICER DRIVEL (IRE)
4
10-08
Mark Benton
Jim Best
RUSSIAN BOLERO (GER)
4
10-08
BAA Management Ltd
David Bridgwater
I'LL BE YOUR CLOWN (IRE)
4
10-08
S G Keys
Andy Oliver IRE
VOSNE ROMANEE
4
10-08
Foxtrot NH Racing Partnership VI
Dr Richard Newland
LIL ROCKERFELLER (USA)
4
10-07
Davies Smith Govier & Brown
Neil King
SAINT LUCY
4
10-07
Lady Bamford
Jonjo O'Neill
BROOK (FR)
4
10-07
Pipe - Dreaming Ladies
David Pipe
GIMME FIVE
4
10-07
McNeill Family
Alan King
JALINGO (IRE)
4
10-07
Bloomfields
John Ferguson
SILVER DUKE (IRE)
4
10-07
Mac Asphalt Ltd
Jim Goldie
BISHOP WULSTAN (IRE)
4
10-06
Middleham Park Racing Bellman Trowbridge
Harry Whittington
STORM FORCE TEN
4
10-05
Robert Waley-Cohen
Andrew Balding
FULL DAY
4
10-05
Dan Gilbert
Brian Ellison
LUCKY JIM
4
10-05
DD Racing & Professor L P Hardwick
David Dennis
HIGH EXPECTATIONS (FR)
4
10-05
M Wasylocha
Gordon Elliott IRE

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KABJOY (IRE)
4
10-04
Favourites Racing Syndicate
Jessica Harrington IRE
STERNRUBIN (GER)
4
10-02
Terry Warner
Philip Hobbs
RYEOLLIEAN
4
10-02
Bryan Fry
Gary Moore
SUPERB STORY (IRE)
4
10-02
A Holt, J Robinson, A Taylor & S Miller
Charlie Mann
CYCLOP (IRE)
4
10-02
DD Racing & Professor L P Hardwick
David Dennis
ROLLING DICE
4
10-02
Miss A Jones
Dominic Ffrench Davis
CAPE CASTER (IRE)
4
10-02
D P Barrie & D Redhead
Evan Williams
MIGHTY MISSILE (IRE)
4
10-01
Bolingbroke Howard BJO Duthie Mercer
Warren Greatrex
ALZAMMAAR (USA)
4
9-13
P A Deal & ROA Arkle
Warren Greatrex
TRIPLE CHIEF (IRE)
4
9-11
G Thompson
Chris Down
MAGIC MAGNOLIA (IRE)
4
9-11
Brian Rudman
Mark Gillard
TOP OF THE GLAS (IRE)
4
9-10
Market Avenue Racing Club Ltd
Brian Ellison

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67 entries
16 Irish-trained

THE FOLLOWING 3 HORSES ARE NOT QUALIFIED: FREDERIC, NEW STREET, ROCK OF LEON
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Fred Winter: "Last year you wanted to be around No.35 to get in - Beat About The Bush on 10st12lbs. I'd say 132 upwards will get in."</p>— Racing UK (@Racing_UK) <a href="https://twitter.com/Racing_UK/status/570567011710996480">February 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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