Each-way Multiple Pairs

[bobbyvalentino]

I like to get a few of these in place before the Cheltenham preview nights start sucking all the value out the market, so feel free to join and name your best each-way multiple pairs, at todays prices

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The idea is that each horse you select is an each-way price (i.e. > 4/1) that you struggle to see knocked out the frame, but also has a realistic chance of winning. The Champion Chase would therefore be a poor race for this type of bet.

You then select two horses in that race, pair them up with three or four other races so that you have a total of 6-8 horses, and place the accumulator combinations.


These bets pay a handsome profit just for four of your selections to place, but if you manage the bag the winners then it's festival completed :very_drunk:



To kick off:


Arkle
Le Richebourg 7/1
Lalor 5/1

Ryanair
Monalee 8/1
Top Notch 10/1

RSA
Delta Work 5/1
Topofthegame 8/1

Ballymore
Champ 4/1
Battleoverdoyen 6/1


Placed with Bet365 pays a multiple of around 1400x stake at best return

The ones above are fairly boring options but I like to use the bets as a way of hedging English and Irish form lines

 

[Kevloaf]

What's the number of bets needed to cover all of those bobby?

This isn't something I've done before, but others definitely do...

 

[lloydy]

What's the number of bets needed to cover all of those bobby?

This isn't something I've done before, but others definitely do...

Just multiply your number of selections, in this case 16 win bets or 32 e/w. I do a few of these each year but win only, still waiting to collect

 

[Kevloaf]

It's permutation betting isn't it....

I don't tend to split stakes very often so I've never really done it... but I'm going to look into it now as there is nothing else pressing me. (Apart from the JP runner research I still haven't attempted)

 

[Outlaw]

Yeah Kev just treat it like a tote line regarding permutations, Think few people call these block bets some bookies form them automatically when added to the slip, some make you do them individually which can be a ball ache at times.

 

[Kevloaf]

Arkle
Le Richebourg 7/1
Lalor 5/1

Ryanair
Monalee 8/1
Top Notch 10/1

RSA
Delta Work 5/1
Topofthegame 8/1

Ballymore
Champ 4/1
Battleoverdoyen 6/1

So number of bets?


Trebles = 32 bets (e/w 64)
4 fold = 16 bets (e/w 32)
Yankee = 176 (e/w 352)
Lucky 15 = 240 (e/w 480)
Permed Patent = 224 (e/w 448)

 

[Outlaw]

So number of bets?


Trebles = 32 bets (e/w 64)
4 fold = 16 bets (e/w 32)
Yankee = 176 (e/w 352)
Lucky 15 = 240 (e/w 480)
Permed Patent = 224 (e/w 448)

That's what I make of it , I assume the OP plays the 4fold line , personally I'd do trebles win and 4fold e/w but that's just me . Others might want the doubles too but with multiple selections soon adds up as you've highlighted

 

[Garrison Savannah]

Fast way to the poor house but fun for tiny stakes I guess

 

[Kevloaf]

Fast way to the poor house but fun for tiny stakes I guess

Fastest way to the poor house is backing horses that are catching pigeons on the gallops, or working the house down

Or is it backing odds on shots in maidens?

Or is it backing handicaps ante post at Cheltenham?

:highly_amused:



I can see the appeal, I can also see why this might not suit me. I'm going to pinpoint some races where I can't split between two horses and see if that leaves me anything to work with.

 

[bobbyvalentino]

So number of bets?


Trebles = 32 bets (e/w 64)
4 fold = 16 bets (e/w 32)
Yankee = 176 (e/w 352)
Lucky 15 = 240 (e/w 480)
Permed Patent = 224 (e/w 448)

Kev, I just do the 4 fold line. In 365 you put the stake in the same as the patent or whatever else, so 50p ew would be £16.

Personally experience only but I’ve been fairly successful with these, but I wouldn’t do win only the whole point is you are picking horses very likely to finish in the first three, so you would only need a placed selection across each race to generate profit. The upside is they might all win and then it pays very well.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

I like to get a few of these in place before the Cheltenham preview nights start sucking all the value out the market, so feel free to join and name your best each-way multiple pairs, at todays prices

******************

The idea is that each horse you select is an each-way price (i.e. > 4/1) that you struggle to see knocked out the frame, but also has a realistic chance of winning. The Champion Chase would therefore be a poor race for this type of bet.

You then select two horses in that race, pair them up with three or four other races so that you have a total of 6-8 horses, and place the accumulator combinations.


These bets pay a handsome profit just for four of your selections to place, but if you manage the bag the winners then it's festival completed :very_drunk:



To kick off:


Arkle
Le Richebourg 7/1
Lalor 5/1

Ryanair
Monalee 8/1
Top Notch 10/1

RSA
Delta Work 5/1
Topofthegame 8/1

Ballymore
Champ 4/1
Battleoverdoyen 6/1


Placed with Bet365 pays a multiple of around 1400 at best return

The ones above are fairly boring options but I like to use the bets as a way of hedging English and Irish form lines

Done this last season, think it was noted about dutching certain, obvious races, and then had them in multiples, it worked for some, but ultimately didn't end up much further ahead than normal from them, bets placed were e/way trixies.

Last season I remember doing the following:

Champion Hurdle: Buveur D'air & Faugheen - Got lucky, winning my a neck, Faugheen never ran, so a loser!

Arkle: Petit Mouchoir & Footpad eventually, missed out the decent prices, had some 5's though - 1st & 3rd so a double result.

Mares: Apples Jade & Limini - Some disappointment that was, but a place was better than a complete loss, even at the poor price, Limini never ran!

Stayers: Nichols Canyon :sorrow: & UKWIMH - Partly unlucky (risk of AP) with NC, partly garbage!

Gold Cup: Might Bite & Our Duke :highly_amused: - Placed & PU.

I only ever hit one double, although in more than one trixie, and had enough placed bets to do their job and return profit. This time around I have decided on doing more doubles with the same sort of thought process, and less trixies/larger multiples.

Don't think I could ever just do a treble or 4fold ever again, seen enough of them go down the pan due to one or more horses, left gutted, so singles, doubles and smaller multiple permutations (though I still have a lot on) this time around.

 

[Outlaw]

All depends what an individual stakes I suppose, me personally I would treat these as "dreamy" bets so only place 50p perms etc so have no real interest landing a double for say £50 but if I got lucky with trebles few hundred or the holy grail and net well into 4 figures then that's what I've placed the bet for

 

[jack1092]

Fast way to the poor house but fun for tiny stakes I guess

While there are variables that may make them a tad risky this far out, e/w multiples can often give a good edge.

Mug doubles etc are different IMO.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

I like to get a few of these in place before the Cheltenham preview nights start sucking all the value out the market, so feel free to join and name your best each-way multiple pairs, at todays prices

******************

The idea is that each horse you select is an each-way price (i.e. > 4/1) that you struggle to see knocked out the frame, but also has a realistic chance of winning. The Champion Chase would therefore be a poor race for this type of bet.

Can I ask why you are restricting your bets to horses bigger than 4/1 ?
I play plenty of each way and will go down to 2/1, it's insurance against the win part of the bet and even at 2s you get 50% of your win stake back or in your case 150% of your stake going onto the next leg.
Not everyone's strategy I know but a £10ew double at 2/1 and 2/1 pays £90 if they both win and £22.50 for the place double...

 

[bobbyvalentino]

Can I ask why you are restricting your bets to horses bigger than 4/1 ?
I play plenty of each way and will go down to 2/1, it's insurance against the win part of the bet and even at 2s you get 50% of your win stake back or in your case 150% of your stake going onto the next leg.
Not everyone's strategy I know but a £10ew double at 2/1 and 2/1 pays £90 if they both win and £22.50 for the place double...

It's a fair point Istabraq, more a margin play from my perspective and a general rule of thumb, but if the horse I really fancied to place was 2/1 I'd go down to that.

Additionally, this far out I generally think I can pick out lots of 4-8 shots that will be 2/1 or 3/1 on the day, so I like to look a bit bigger.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

Of course bobby, plenty of options out there for bigger priced horses.

I wonder how many have played/will play the Buveur D/Air and Tiger Roll double, at 13/8 and 5/2 a £10ew will pays £22.85 when they go 1/4 place odds.

I dined out for a few years on the Quevega/Big Bucks each way double, it was a battle getting on and it had to be spread across a few shops but worth the hassle....

 

[Middle_Of_March]

The Altior & Buveir D’Air double is what I’m on. NRNB. Just keep throwing money at it is my approach and then to see where I’m at on the day with each way value for the CH.

 

[jonthehammer]

Yeah I mentioned this on another thread a week or so ago.
Mine was over 3 races with 4 in two of the races and 3 in the other. Me and my mate do it and it is good fun and if you nail it you can win a fair bit.
Ours was a straight win bet though (combo treble) but like has been mentioned you can do it a number of ways.

 

[bobbyvalentino]

A few more:

Stayers
Paisley Park 3/1
Penhill 5/1 (reluctantly, I haven't seen a better irish angle)

Foxhunters
Stand Up And Fight 4/1
Hazel Hill 8/1

Triumph
Fakir D'Oudaries 6/1
Pic D'Orhy 14/1

 

[Scooby91]

A few more:

Stayers
Paisley Park 3/1
Penhill 5/1 (reluctantly, I haven't seen a better irish angle)

Foxhunters
Stand Up And Fight 4/1
Hazel Hill 8/1

Triumph
Fakir D'Oudaries 6/1
Pic D'Orhy 14/1

You can get 7/1 on penhill if you shop around.