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The Breeding Thread (Shed)

Kevloaf

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Good place to put down and chat about any sires and their progeny?

Decent thread to kick this one off lifted from Ante Post thread.

evertoncal said:
One thing I'll be doing this year is following all Getaway progeny. I'll be backing all of them and maybe clubbing together some in multiples. For small money like but I think it may pay alright. I really like his progeny and I'm sure people have probably looked at it already but it may be interesting to follow. They seem all to be pretty genuine, good travellers and have a turn of foot. Ground doesn't seem a huge problem for them all either in general and I'll be doing on the day backing of all progeny, though siding more with the bigger prices each way (if these are available).

I can see all these possibly going the festival:
Verdana Blue
Getaway Trump
Getabird (probably needs to go right handed mind)
Downtown Getaway
Talkischeap
I can't explain
Getareason
Hear no evil
Getaway Katie Mai
Lust for Glory
Rathhill (probably won't mind as still a baby in Tolworth)
Jarveys Plate

Just a few to keep in mind for handicaps as well as graded novices and such like.
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I’ve mentioned Getaway a few times this season, not just due to his breeding ability but also the fact I struggle to predict what distances his progeny will run in their novice hurdle seasons.

The other ‘new’ sires that are breaking through and I like are Mahler, Yeats and Jeremy.
 
I didn't know this... would be why some people avoid them I guess?

AQPS

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


AQPS ("Autre Que Pur-Sang"), translated as "Other than Thoroughbred" (not "Other than Pure-Blood"), is a general term used in France to refer to horses not listed as Thoroughbreds. Anglo-Arabians, Selle Français (or French Riding Horse), and French Trotters plus all other crossbreds can be qualified as AQPS. For racing purposes, each breed has its own studbook. The designation usually means one parent is not listed in the Thoroughbred stud book and almost always applies to those horses with Selle Français breeding in the damline.
The AQPS racing breed developed around the end of the 19th century when French farmers began to cross cart horse mares with Thoroughbred stallions to produce a fast and hardy horse that has proven to be best suited for steeplechase racing. The average person most likely would not be able to see any difference between an AQPS and a Thoroughbred as evolution of the breed has resulted in AQPS horses today being 87.5 percent Thoroughbred and 12.5 percent French saddle-bred.
The Association des Eleveurs d'AQPS is a member partner in the French Racing and Breeding Committee (FRBC).
Probably the best-known AQPS horse in the world is Al Capone II, who won the Group One Grand Steeple-Chase de Paris in 1997 plus seven consecutive Group One Prix La Haye Jousselin steeplechase races at Auteuil Hippodrome from 1993 through 1999. His full brother The Fellow won the Prix La Haye Jousselin in 1990, the Grand Steeple-Chase de Paris in 1991 and enjoyed even greater success in England where he won the King George VI Chase in 1991 and 1992 and the Cheltenham Gold Cup in 1994.
Mon Mome, winner of the Grand National in 2009, followed by Neptune Collonges in 2012 are AQPS horses, as is Orphée des Blins, winner of The Grand Pardubice Steeplechase 2012, 2013 and 2014.


 
Kevloaf said:
I didn't know this... would be why some people avoid them I guess?

AQPS

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


AQPS ("Autre Que Pur-Sang"), translated as "Other than Thoroughbred" (not "Other than Pure-Blood"), is a general term used in France to refer to horses not listed as Thoroughbreds. Anglo-Arabians, Selle Français (or French Riding Horse), and French Trotters plus all other crossbreds can be qualified as AQPS. For racing purposes, each breed has its own studbook. The designation usually means one parent is not listed in the Thoroughbred stud book and almost always applies to those horses with Selle Français breeding in the damline.
The AQPS racing breed developed around the end of the 19th century when French farmers began to cross cart horse mares with Thoroughbred stallions to produce a fast and hardy horse that has proven to be best suited for steeplechase racing. The average person most likely would not be able to see any difference between an AQPS and a Thoroughbred as evolution of the breed has resulted in AQPS horses today being 87.5 percent Thoroughbred and 12.5 percent French saddle-bred.
The Association des Eleveurs d'AQPS is a member partner in the French Racing and Breeding Committee (FRBC).
Probably the best-known AQPS horse in the world is Al Capone II, who won the Group One Grand Steeple-Chase de Paris in 1997 plus seven consecutive Group One Prix La Haye Jousselin steeplechase races at Auteuil Hippodrome from 1993 through 1999. His full brother The Fellow won the Prix La Haye Jousselin in 1990, the Grand Steeple-Chase de Paris in 1991 and enjoyed even greater success in England where he won the King George VI Chase in 1991 and 1992 and the Cheltenham Gold Cup in 1994.
Mon Mome, winner of the Grand National in 2009, followed by Neptune Collonges in 2012 are AQPS horses, as is Orphée des Blins, winner of The Grand Pardubice Steeplechase 2012, 2013 and 2014.
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You might not also know horses with AA next to the name

Ie sullydocAA
Is Anglo arab


I wrote down last year on my notes avoid all aqps winners.
 
Ah very interesting. I'd heard it obviously, but never checked out what it was.

I assume the flat racing series they have is therefore not as strong as the equivilant, as these 'types' are likely to be better the older/stronger they become? (Less likely to be as forward I suppose)?
 
Kevloaf said:
Ah very interesting. I'd heard it obviously, but never checked out what it was.

I assume the flat racing series they have is therefore not as strong as the equivilant, as these 'types' are likely to be better the older/stronger they become? (Less likely to be as forward I suppose)?
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Hard to judge. Defi de seuil and espoir d'allen the last 2 winners of the race farid won which is an early season race. And they were forward enough. However there's alot of dross in between the good ones. But I suppose that's the same with bumpers and thoroughbreds so I couldn't really knock it that way.

On the 2 today.
Unless that race today was really weak farid had shown improvement form his last run, atleast in the way he stuck at the task. strange tactics on fenta des obeaux in regards to getting the best of of her. However they purposely took a pull on both to take a lead and to learn something today. As per willies race preview on his site
 
Interesting thread.

Breeding is probably the thing in racing I know the least about, so reading the thread with hungry eyes!
 
I saw saddler maker before he died and passed over some cheap horses of his that went for fortunes.

Coastal Path is a good up and coming stallion but keep an eye out for Cokoriko - he’s been very popular in France and his first crop doing very well.

Rail Links first jump crop just turned 3 and he got a lot of good mares sent to him so be interesting to see how they all go later this year.
 
Sprinter Sacre is AQPS by the way! As is Bacardys and plenty of other good ones
 
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