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My tent or yours : Horse trained by Nicky Henderson

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  • My tent or yours : Horse trained by Nicky Henderson

    Bought by JP McManus ....

    Age: 5 Years (foaled 16th Mar 2007)
    Sex: Gelding
    Owner: Mr John P McManus
    Trainer: N J Henderson
    Breeding: Sire - Dam (Dam's Sire)
    Desert Prince IRE - Spartan Girl IRE (Ela-mana-mou - UK)
    Last edited by mayo; 4 November 2012, 07:59 PM.

  • #2
    Barry Geraghty Blog

    My Tent Or Yours is now owned by J P McManus so AP’s aboard in the two-mile novice hurdle and I’ve absolutely no doubt that this is a young horse going places this season.

    But I’ve picked up a very nice spare ride in TAQUIN DE SEUIL (2.00) for Jonjo who AP won on last time at Uttoxeter.

    He won by a very easy 15 lengths and if My Tent Or Yours wasn’t about then I’d really be fancying my chances. My Tent Or Yours schooled brilliantly for me but he’s got those green and gold colours so AP’s on him at Ascot this afternoon and I’d say he will take a lot of beating.


    • #3
      Catching Pigeons

      My Tent Or Yours has been known to take a bit of a grip, but if his rider can get him settled he is a strong fancy to score first time over hurdles at Ascot. He was among the very best of the stable's bumper team last season and his schooling is said to have gone particularly well.
      Wonder will AP be riding tomorrow.


      • #4
        Supreme winner if he settles ?


        • #5
          Henderson after the race:

          "He travelled a bit too well, but has got a huge amount of talent and has got to learn how to use it.

          "We'll keep it low-key for experience until Christmas."

          Sky Bet were sufficiently impressed by the winner to introduce him into the market for the William Hill Supreme Novices' Hurdle at 20-1.


          • #6
            Barry G 05.11.12

            TAQUIN DU SUIL was probably taking on an impossible task against My Tent Or Yours in the two-mile novice hurdle. Unfortunately for me the winner moved teams in the transfer window and is now in JP’s colours so AP does the steering now but he’s a fine horse for Seven Barrows to have.


            • #7

              Mordin likes him

              It's hard to know just how good very lightly raced horses are. So once or twice a season the connections of two such horses fail to avoid each other. The result is that we see two genuinely top class horses contest a minor race.

              My ratings say this happened in a class 3 novice hurdle at Ascot last Saturday where two horses duelled from a long way to pull clear of the field.

              The winner was MY TENT OR YOURS (39) who was always cruising while racing a little keenly in the rear. He began to make ground in impressive fashion after four out and looked set to coast by runner up Taquin Du Seuil as he moved up to him approaching the last. But the Taquin Du Seuil is clearly a smart horse in his own right and rallied as the winner headed him.

              A measure of just how much the first two accelerated to take each other on can be gleaned from sectional times. These show that the field got from the first jump to four out 5.1 seconds later than they did in the big handicap hurdle earlier on the same card over the same trip. From there they covered the remaining six furlongs 3.2 seconds faster. When I adjust my ratings to reflect this it points to a Grade 1 class performance by the first two across the line.

              My Tent Or Yours is a barrel-chested sort that has the build of a two and a half mile steeplechaser. He's a good actioned horse and has been steered away from soft ground except for his debut where he hosed up on good to soft in a Bumper. My bet is that long term he will prove best over two and a half miles and may dislike soft and heavy going. But I'd be more sure of the former idea than the latter.

              The acceleration that My Tent Or Yours showed to gain ground quickly and easy just as the pace was quickening suggests to me that he'd be an interesting candidate for a valuable long distance flat race next Summer. Trainer Nicky Henderson has a remarkable record with jumpers he targets such races with.

              At some point the connections of My Tent Or Yours are going to have to decide whether to keep him over two miles as a novice hurdler or step him up to two and a half miles. He has such pace it will be very tempting to persevere over two miles. But I have a maxim that a horse will perform best at the outermost limits of its stamina. At shorter trips it can get outpaced. Over longer it's in danger of not lasting home in a truly run race. For this reason I think My Tent Or Yours should try and emulate his stablemate Simonsig who won the big two and a half mile hurdles at the Cheltenham and Aintree Festivals last year. Next season, when he will surely be switched to chasing, his obvious target would be the Jewson.


              • #8
                Back on track today after Newbury disappointment

                Henderson told Racing UK: "He's probably a bit better than those. He's still quite keen. He might just be a better horse in a truly-run race, they didn't go very quick early on. He was still tanking along late in the race and he should've settled before that."

                Talking of the Betfair Hurdle Henderson continued: "Obviously this weekend's the last weekend for handicapping purposes. It's an option. We did the same with Darlan last year.

                "This fellow has got natural raw talent, he just needs to use it in a slightly more professional way. He's doing everything right I just wish he could curtail some of his enthusiasm."


                • #9
                  Graham Cunningham impressed

                  SUPREME NOVICES' HURDLE

                  My Tent supporters could be happy campers at Newbury and Cheltenham

                  Last week was informative as regards the Festival opener, with ante-post favourite Jezki being bought by JP McManus and Cause Of Causes and My Tent Or Yours both continuing their progress by winning at Navan and Huntingdon respectively.

                  Jezki's transfer deal clearly won't impact on his Cheltenham chance, but it will impact on his route there as it now seems he will go straight to the Fez without a run in Leopardstown's Deloitte Hurdle.

                  By contrast, Cause Of Causes and My Tent Or Yours are both inked in for Newbury's Betfair Hurdle on February 9 next.

                  Cause Of Causes is already a proven force in big handicaps and showed bags of spirit to thwart the tenderly-ridden Midnight Game at Navan on Sunday, but I'm not keen on him for Newbury or Cheltenham at this stage for the simple reason that I don't think he will be quite quick enough.

                  By contrast, My Tent Or Yours has speed aplenty and he thrashed some above-average novices at Huntingdon to look value for at least double the official margin of seven lengths.

                  McManus and Henderson would have almost certainly won last year's Betfair Hurdle but for Darlan's heavy fall two out and My Tent Or Yours heads to Newbury with very strong claims, especially if left on his current mark of 140 with the likes of stablemate Petit Robin and JPs 2012 runner-up Get Me Out Of Here likely to keep his weight down.

                  However, MTOY has been backed down to 9/2 for a Newbury race which is rammed with potential dangers.

                  He's trading at 14/1 in a place for the Supreme and that looks too big.

                  Jezki's two Grade One wins make him a major danger, but I'm not that keen on another leading fancy Dodging Bullets and River Maigue's form thus far doesn't read so well as MTOY's.

                  Add in the fact that the well fancied Puffin Billy may be Neptune-bound and it's likely there is some value to be found at double figures in the Supreme market.

                  My Tent Or Yours looks made for a fast-run two miles on spring ground and a bold run at Newbury will see his Cheltenham odds shrink appreciably.


                  • #10
                    Graham Richards

                    Started his hurdle career with a smooth success over Taquin Du Seuil at Ascot. That chap has gone on to record a slightly higher rating raised in distance to two and a half-miles. Bogged down in the Newbury mud behind stablechum Chatterbox, he bounced back to form with a facile success at Huntingdon. Acts on good to soft through to heavy and looks a two-miler, pure and simple. Favourite for the Betfair Hurdle, it would be wise to hear connections plans for both that race and the Supreme Novices. Yet to race at Cheltenham.


                    • #11

                      The way you view the price of the Nicky Henderson-trained My Tent Or Yours depends very much upon whether you think he will win the Betfair Hurdle as, were he to prove triumphant there, the 11.5 on offer for the Supreme would be snapped up instantly. His defeat of subsequent Grade 1 Challow Hurdle winner Taquin du Seuil at Ascot in November advertises his claims admirably and he could hardly have been more impressive at Huntingdon last time, though a mark of 149 for the Betfair looks stiff enough given that Darlan, who was at a similar stage in his career, was thought to face a difficult task off 146 in the same race last year. Were he to be beaten in the Betfair, not out of sight but by a few lengths, his price for the Supreme is likely to be fairly static so it is not worth risking him winning at Newbury and therefore being cut for Cheltenham. Advice: Back him for the Supreme prior to the Betfair Hurdle and hope that he hacks up there.


                      • #12
                        has to be one of best threads on here


                        • #13
                          "Nobody cares about his horses more than JP, and AP [McCoy] was absolutely shattered too, so to come back and find another one that looks as if it might be capable of rising to the top table, there's a bit of justice in it, anyway," Henderson said.

                          "It was an extraordinarily run race. There's been no pace in the race and you'd expect an awful lot of horses to come there, but this one has got extraordinary gears.

                          "It was AP's idea that JP bought him [at the start of the current season]. He happened to school him one morning and loved him, and said: 'There's only one thing wrong with this horse, it's in the wrong colours.' Next thing is, it was in the correct colours. It was a great team of mates that owned him and, seriously, I have to sympathise a little bit, but having said that, they would say along with me that JP is everything to National Hunt racing."

                          My Tent Or Yours was quoted at single-figure odds for the Champion Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival in mid-March in the aftermath of Saturday'srace, but at this stage he still seems more likely to contest the Supreme Novice Hurdle, for which McManus already has a leading contender in Jezki.

                          "It [the Champion Hurdle] wasn't on the agenda before today, and it is a different ball game," Frank Berry, McManus's racing manager, said. "It's not something we usually do [supplement a horse for a championship race] and the novice route is the way that we usually go, but let's see."


                          • #14
                            Fine write up on the @jpnorris blog

                            After his scintillating display on Saturday My Tent Or Yours is quite rightly being talked up as a Champion Hurdle horse and he would not be out of place in that field, rather a deserved leading contender. The one issue left with Nicky Henderson’s charge, having sorted out his jumping at Huntingdon, was his free-going nature. He had been over-exuberant and keen in each run so far, the concern being whether he could find enough off the bridle after using up so much energy in a race against higher quality opposition. This frailty was harshly exposed by The New One in last season’s exceptional renewal of the Aintree Bumper. My Tent Or Yours is a better, stronger individual now but this was still a minor worry in a ‘competitive’ race like the Betfair Hurdle. As such I expected him to be settled in rear and pick off the other runners one by one, much like he had tried and failed to do on his last visit to Newbury. Maybe in the knowledge that there were few, if any, horses involved willing to set the pace or maybe just with supreme confidence AP McCoy crossed the tape, near enough, in front. From then on it was McCoy’s mission to settle him, My Tent Or Yours still pulled against his rider but McCoy was able drop him back as they left the home straight for the first time. In a seemingly ideal position on the inside rail, McCoy was in search of cover all the way up the back straight, just making sure he could keep a lid on all the enthusiasm and speed underneath him. As the field entered the home straight My Tent Or Yours had moved up into fifth and as commentator Richard Hoiles pointed out it was plain to see that McCoy was intent on slipstreaming the mare, Swing Bowler, for as long as he could. As the leaders drew away from the third last My Tent Or Yours was still pulling as he latched right onto the tail of Swing Bowler, before moving out to jump the second last. At that moment there was only one horse catching the eye and it became a matter of how far. Finally let go by McCoy at the last, the Desert Prince gelding rapped the hurdle as his acceleration got the better of him before powering clear under hands and heels, eventually easing down to a five length victory.

                            There is little more that he could have done here, his jumping was neat and fast, particularly at the second where he was unsighted thereby forcing him in close to the hurdle but he was extraordinarily nimble over it, thanks in no small part, I am sure, to AP McCoy’s intensive schooling. My Tent Or Yours found plenty off the bridle, putting an eight or nine length gap on the field as he was let down, before being eased. Despite the steady pace set the form could not look much stronger, with nothing in there holding it down and three thoroughly progressive handicappers filling the places. Cotton Mill had been well fancied for this, primarily on the back of his run in the Neptune where he was travelling nearly as well as Simonsig at the second last before running out in spectacular fashion. His impressive performance here does make the decision to run Cotton Mill over three miles straight after his Cheltenham calamity seem somewhat perplexing and with connections' desire to avoid heavy ground at all costs, the rain, sleet and snow which greeted us at Newbury on Saturday can’t have benefitted him. Neither was the race run especially to suit as he would have preferred a stronger pace, he lacked the speed of the winner, but then most jumpers do, and arguably Swing Bowler before his stamina kicked in, finishing strongly into second. There is clearly more to come, even before taking into account that this was his first run for 302 days, and he is an exciting prospect wherever he goes. A trip to the Champion Hurdle would not be unthinkable and were My Tent Or Yours to revert to novice company he would be a fascinating barometer of the Betfair Hurdle form. This could well be one of the strongest handicap hurdles of the whole season and it must be wise to consider strongly the likes of Swing Bowler and Dark Lover for the County Hurdle, Village Vic for the Coral Cup and even Caid Du Berlais for the Fred Winter, having shown up well for a long way despite running wide and being out of the weights.

                            I am struggling to find any negatives around My Tent Or Yours' chances for the Supreme Novices Hurdle and he is a worthy favourite, having usurped fellow JP McManus purchase Jezki. Ominously for his rivals, My Tent Or Yours has shown that he handles testing conditions while he is likely to improve for a quicker surface. He just has so much pace and as I suggested after his last run there was nothing in the Betfair Hurdle that could live with him. The only question left for me about My Tent Or Yours is whether something like the completely unexposed Un Atout is better, although the question that might prove more pertinent in the lead up to the Cheltenham Festival is whether it is Un Atout’s fellow Closutton inmate Hurricane Fly who is better?


                            • #15
                              My Tent Or Yours given new mark (+13) of 162. That would win 99 of 100 Supreme hurdles & make him very competitive in Champion