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[Istabraq]

I think the look over the shoulder makes it negligent not accidental.

Wouldn’t you have expected Hayes to remonstrate a bit as I agree, it could have resulted in bringing SH down or injuries to either horse/jockey?

Yeah I don’t disagree, negligence may well be appropriate, stewards get away with it because the act caused no damage, I’ll claim the same defence if I ever get caught doing 120mph.
#drivesafelpeople

We’ll never know what’s said if anything, Hayes may well have lambasted Richie as they cantered back, but because of the close association between racing and betting there will also be conspiracy theories which is why stewards have a duty to investigate all incidents thoroughly, or refer them….

[Wayward Lad]

Spanish Harlem was the only one to Richie's outside, he was far enough from the fence to allow SH to go past on the outside then pull wide of the fence, and although we'll never know but there is usually some chat during the race, Richie has an obligation to communicate and ensure he doesn't interfere with others.
The whole accidental thing is fine but not enough was done to prevent it for me and the stewards have taken the easy option in doing nothing, on another day interference (accidental or otherwise) could lead to injury or worse to both horse and jockey.

As for Spanish Harlem's jumping I think we knew before the race it was an issue, I don't think he jumped that badly to be honest it was more a case of not meeting many on a stride and his adjustments just aren't efficient, but he was full of running when taken out and would have gone very close...

Apologies Ista as looking back on my post I can see I wasn’t clear with my view - my point about looking behind and then moving, was negative to Richie not positive, as I can’t see how the manouvre could be deemed accidental when he looks behind before moving? I think the look over the shoulder makes it negligent not accidental.

Also it wasn’t as if SH had little chance at the time as he was third fav and hadn’t been asked a question when the incident happened. BHA stewarding remains poor and inconsistent IMO.

Wouldn’t you have expected Hayes to remonstrate a bit as I agree, it could have resulted in bringing SH down or injuries to either horse/jockey?

[Istabraq]

I agree ISA, also pocket talk my end, but didn’t he look behind (mirror signal) and then after seeing SH behind manoeuvre? Why so close to the fence, why not well before as the horse didn’t look to break down?

I also think Hayes seemed to take it to well IMO. I didn’t see any looking over to remonstrate or whip waving etc….just seemed like ‘oh well one of those things’ ….why when it looked like he had every chance at the time of at least getting placed?

SH did jump pretty awful though didn’t he!

Spanish Harlem was the only one to Richie's outside, he was far enough from the fence to allow SH to go past on the outside then pull wide of the fence, and although we'll never know but there is usually some chat during the race, Richie has an obligation to communicate and ensure he doesn't interfere with others.
The whole accidental thing is fine but not enough was done to prevent it for me and the stewards have taken the easy option in doing nothing, on another day interference (accidental or otherwise) could lead to injury or worse to both horse and jockey.

As for Spanish Harlem's jumping I think we knew before the race it was an issue, I don't think he jumped that badly to be honest it was more a case of not meeting many on a stride and his adjustments just aren't efficient, but he was full of running when taken out and would have gone very close...

[Wayward Lad]

Pocket talk but Richie McLernon needs shooting for pulling up Walking on Air and taking out Spanish Harlem, it's happened before and it will happen again but the enquiry cleared his accepting the interference was accidental which isn't good enough for me...

I agree ISA, also pocket talk my end, but didn’t he look behind (mirror signal) and then after seeing SH behind manoeuvre? Why so close to the fence, why not well before as the horse didn’t look to break down?

I also think Hayes seemed to take it to well IMO. I didn’t see any looking over to remonstrate or whip waving etc….just seemed like ‘oh well one of those things’ ….why when it looked like he had every chance at the time of at least getting placed?

SH did jump pretty awful though didn’t he!

[Istabraq]

It was a tough watch though, horses pulling up left right and centre, I wonder if last week was looming on their minds

Pocket talk but Richie McLernon needs shooting for pulling up Walking on Air and taking out Spanish Harlem, it's happened before and it will happen again but the enquiry cleared his accepting the interference was accidental which isn't good enough for me...

[robith]

It was a tough watch though, horses pulling up left right and centre, I wonder if last week was looming on their minds

[robith]

That was an unbelievable ride from Cobden on Captain Cody in the Scottish National!

[Saxon Warrior]

[B]

Maybe
Green Impact 33s
Doubled with a Festival horse (or 2) Each Way

for small stakes
that you want to try and get the Cheltenham one on board for the Place payout.

Kalif Du Berlais 16s Champion Chase for example.

That must be around 30/1 for the Place Double

The Win Part would be mind boggling so I'd park that thought until/unless the first part happened and focus on the Place Double potential.

Its the sort of thing I throw around in my head when thinking of putting a "now" horse with a next March horse

If we knew Green Impact was defo coming to Newmarket

Just noticed for anyone with a Geoff Banks Online Acct - or who wants to open one, that....

Green Impact is 40/1 for the 2000 Guineas

Cant see any Cheltenham markets on there, I may have overlooked them though.

But for anyone wanting to back Green Impact, the 40/1 EW seems to be the best price in the market at the moment.

[Lobos]

Assuming the money has come for Olympic Man in the Scottish Grand National as he is the choice of Patrick. Big Move.

[FinalFurlong91]

Unfortunately we're not all custom to putting After everything we say

Is this all because I called your favourite horse Gidleigh Bark

[AaronLad]

I forgot to put earlier

Appreciate the friendly tone as always

Unfortunately we're not all custom to putting After everything we say

[Istabraq]

Worth remembering horses are fragile creatures who are just as likely to get injured running wild in a field, there’s an argument racing and the training on racehorses actually prolong life by offering protection from
unsupervised accident/injury.
No-one enjoys seeing it and those closely involved are so attached to their horses they are distraught when they lose one, but very occasional incidents can’t be avoided sadly…

[Faugheen_Machine]

Also maybe an unpopular opinion but unfortunately horses are going to die during a race or because of a race as in Celebre D’allen. I accept it’s part of the sport and for the most part these race horses are very well cared for. They are bred to race or they wouldn’t be bred at all. Except for the minority that are pets/ work etc. If it wasn’t for the purpose of racing, horses wouldn’t exist anywhere near the numbers there is currently. All imo of course .

Agreed. There's always going to be a risk so these things will happen, unfortunately. I hate seeing horses fall, breakdown etc but I accept this is part of the sport we all enjoy. As you say, without the sport, there'd be no thoroughbred horses.

[Pisto]

Also maybe an unpopular opinion but unfortunately horses are going to die during a race or because of a race as in Celebre D’allen. I accept it’s part of the sport and for the most part these race horses are very well cared for. They are bred to race or they wouldn’t be bred at all. Except for the minority that are pets/ work etc. If it wasn’t for the purpose of racing, horses wouldn’t exist anywhere near the numbers there is currently. All imo of course .

[Pisto]

I forgot to put earlier

Appreciate the friendly tone as always

I don’t know if this is just me but I tend to put a ‘voice’ to people’s words and sometimes it can come across as being short/ unfriendly etc from people but more than likely unintended. It’s a pain writing on your phone sometimes