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Ryanair Chase 2021

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  • He has to have every chance coming here imo. No way does he beat Chacun. I wouldn't fancy him to win this either though.

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    • Totally agree with your comments Kev, we tend to give extra chances to the greats to come back, but in the end age is the great leveller. Some can extend it by going up in trip, but I fear this may be his final.season. Hope I'm completely wrong, and he has one last major win to come, but it will be without my money.

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      • I’m not entirely sure I understand the fuss about sending horses up in trip when they get old, as if they’re top footballers dropping into a deeper lying role to control a game from the middle of the park as they no longer have the legs to play up front or on the wing. Who was the last ageing grade 1 winner to be given a new lease of life by going up in trip? Honestly can’t think of one. Altior only heads for the Ryanair if he flops in the Game Spirit. But if he flops in the Game Spirit, it won’t be because he needs another half a mile, it’ll be because he’s regressed. He’s not Ryan Giggs.

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        • Faugheen has had a few highlights since.moving up. But in the main, I agree VK.

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          • Originally posted by Viking Flagship View Post
            I’m not entirely sure I understand the fuss about sending horses up in trip when they get old, as if they’re top footballers dropping into a deeper lying role to control a game from the middle of the park as they no longer have the legs to play up front or on the wing. Who was the last ageing grade 1 winner to be given a new lease of life by going up in trip? Honestly can’t think of one. Altior only heads for the Ryanair if he flops in the Game Spirit. But if he flops in the Game Spirit, it won’t be because he needs another half a mile, it’ll be because he’s regressed. He’s not Ryan Giggs.
            Poorly worded at the start but I agree.

            When I read the first line I thought I didn't

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            • Originally posted by Magpie View Post
              Faugheen has had a few highlights since.moving up. But in the main, I agree VK.
              Even Faugheen's best form is shorter

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              • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                Even Faugheen's best form is shorter
                Yes thats true, but i was just saying in Faugheen 's case he can no longer do it at lesser distances, but moving up he has extended his career.at quite an exalted.age with some good wins.

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                • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                  Poorly worded at the start but I agree.

                  When I read the first line I thought I didn't
                  Quite right, it’s clearly bed time!

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                  • I have no doubt that Altior has regressed

                    It just depends to what extent,At 11 he is entitled to

                    Allaho is the current fav in the Ryanair and he looks beatable

                    A staying on second in the Game Spirit might tempt them here

                    Horses like Min and Un De Sceaux have come out of the champion chase to win this

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                    • Originally posted by Liammet View Post
                      I have no doubt that Altior has regressed

                      It just depends to what extent,At 11 he is entitled to

                      Allaho is the current fav in the Ryanair and he looks beatable

                      A staying on second in the Game Spirit might tempt them here

                      Horses like Min and Un De Sceaux have come out of the champion chase to win this
                      I suppose it just comes down to how many 11 yo have won compared to the up and comers?



                      I have zero doubt Altior at his best is miles clear of what Allaho could do.... but he is 7.... and Altior at 11, just ain't winning at a festival in a G1 is he?

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                      • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                        I suppose it just comes down to how many 11 yo have won compared to the up and comers?



                        I have zero doubt Altior at his best is miles clear of what Allaho could do.... but he is 7.... and Altior at 11, just ain't winning at a festival in a G1 is he?
                        You are probably right Kev

                        but how many horses as good as Altior have tried to win a Ryanair

                        I am just taking a speculative punt nrnb to cover myself in case he does

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                        • Originally posted by Liammet View Post

                          You are probably right Kev

                          but how many horses as good as Altior have tried to win a Ryanair

                          I am just taking a speculative punt nrnb to cover myself in case he does
                          ...and that is a good point.,... only 1, and he won!



                          I don't think it's a bad bet NRNB at all... I was just trying to justify to myself why I'm not taking it.



                          ....and if he does win, I'll cheer him on and big you up

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                          • Originally posted by Liammet View Post

                            You are probably right Kev

                            but how many horses as good as Altior have tried to win a Ryanair

                            I am just taking a speculative punt nrnb to cover myself in case he does
                            I don’t hate the angle but for the question of how many horses as good as Altior have tried?
                            In his current being I would say plenty.

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                            • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post

                              I don’t hate the angle but for the question of how many horses as good as Altior have tried?
                              In his current being I would say plenty.
                              It's surely the fact he's a 4x festival winner that he's implying?

                              0%. There are no 4x festival winners that've tried to win a Ryanair... for obvious reasons... literally no horses as good as Altior would have tried technically, even including Vautour




                              You knew what he meant.....perhaps he should have doubled him with Donald Trump.




                              Last edited by Kevloaf; 9 February 2021, 12:47 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                                It's surely the fact he's a 4x festival winner that he's implying?

                                0%. There are no 4x festival winners that've tried to win a Ryanair... for obvious reasons... literally no horses as good as Altior would have tried technically, even including Vautour




                                You knew what he meant.....perhaps he should have doubled him with Donald Trump.



                                then he could sit it next to all my other wonderfully big priced losing doubles!

                                As I said I don’t hate the angle, but better horses than today’s version of Altior have lost in the Ryanair. As much as everyone loves to hate it, it is a legitimate grade 1 not a grade 3 that a class horse on the way down can scoop up

                                How many horses can beat SceauRoyal 3 lengths and then lose to Nube Negra?
                                In my opinion a lot. For me we are seeing an elongated Might Bite style decline where he went so deep he does t ever want to do so again.
                                Takes nothing away from his career but I’d question how many top class horses finish behind Altior again

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