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2021 Marsh Novices Chase
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Originally posted by Crolwey113 View PostGordon
“Jack has had a few nasty knocks, but all the horses are here for him to ride. Obviously Davy Russell is out injured, and this is his ride, but Keith Donoghue rides him every day
Russell replied: "I had goosebumps watching him. I'd give anything to be on his back and, fingers crossed, I can get back on him before too long
Maybe the agreement it with owner and Davy?
Jack when interviewed on RTV the same that Davy takes the ride when back.
Jack has years and years ahead of him and it'd be staggering if he wasn't quite dominent? I wouldn't be bothered at all if he was on board in the Marsh and beyond so it's not worth worrying about for me.
Both top 5 in anyones list surely?
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Allart (IRE) 7 Nicky Henderson Mr R. A. Bartlett Andy Dufresne (IRE) 7 Gordon Elliott Ireland Mr John P. McManus Assemble 7 Joseph Patrick O'Brien Ireland Gigginstown House Stud Asterion Forlonge (FR) 7 W. P. Mullins Ireland Mrs J. Donnelly Beat The Judge (IRE) 6 Gary Moore Mr Ed Babington Blackbow (IRE) 8 W. P. Mullins Ireland Roaringwater Syndicate Chantry House (IRE) 7 Nicky Henderson Mr John P. McManus Chatham Street Lad (IRE) 9 Michael Winters Ireland Mr V. Healy Coko Beach (FR) 6 Gordon Elliott Ireland Gigginstown House Stud Conflated (IRE) 7 Gordon Elliott Ireland Gigginstown House Stud Coole Cody (IRE) 10 Evan Williams Mr W. Clifford Darver Star (IRE) 9 Gavin Cromwell Ireland SSP Number Twenty Two Syndicate Eldorado Allen (FR) 7 Colin Tizzard J P Romans & Terry Warner Energumene (FR) 7 W. P. Mullins Ireland Anthony Bloom Envoi Allen (FR) 7 Gordon Elliott Ireland Cheveley Park Stud Espoir de Romay (FR) 7 Kim Bailey The Midgelets Fils d'Oudairies (FR) 6 Joseph Patrick O'Brien Ireland Mr Claudio Michael Grech Foxy Jacks (IRE) 7 M. F. Morris Ireland Mr D. F. Desmond Franco de Port (FR) 6 W. P. Mullins Ireland Bruton Street V Fusil Raffles (FR) 6 Nicky Henderson Mr Simon Munir & Mr Isaac Souede Ga Law (FR) 5 Jamie Snowden The Footie Partnership Harambe 8 Alan King Niall Farrell & Friends Hitman (FR) 5 Paul Nicholls Mason, Hogarth, Ferguson & Done Hold The Note (IRE) 7 Mick Channon Mr T. P. Radford If The Cap Fits (IRE) 9 Harry Fry Mr Simon Munir & Mr Isaac Souede Janidil (FR) 7 W. P. Mullins Ireland Mr John P. McManus Kiltealy Briggs (IRE) 7 Jamie Snowden McNeill Family Klassical Dream (FR) 7 W. P. Mullins Ireland Mrs J Coleman Latest Exhibition (IRE) 8 Paul Nolan Ireland Toberona Partnership Le Patriote (FR) 9 Dr Richard Newland Canard Vert Racing Club Lieutenant Rocco (IRE) 6 Nick Mitchell Sherborne Utilities Ltd Lord Royal (FR) 6 W. P. Mullins Ireland Paul Connell/Alan McGonnell Marown (IRE) 7 Nicky Richards Mr Trevor Hemmings Monkfish (IRE) 7 W. P. Mullins Ireland Mrs S. Ricci Numitor 7 Heather Main Wetumpka Racing Paint The Dream 7 Fergal O'Brien Mr David Brace Pic D'orhy (FR) 6 Paul Nicholls Mrs Johnny de la Hey Protektorat (FR) 6 Dan Skelton Sir A Ferguson G Mason J Hales & L Hales Royale Pagaille (FR) 7 Venetia Williams Mrs S. Ricci Saint Turgeon (FR) 5 Davide Satalia France Arcadio Vangelisti Shan Blue (IRE) 7 Dan Skelton Mr Colm Donlon Sky Pirate 8 Jonjo O'Neill Mr M. Tedham Sporting John (IRE) 6 Philip Hobbs Mr John P. McManus Stratagem (FR) 5 Paul Nicholls David Maxwell Racing Limited Colreevy (IRE) 8 W. P. Mullins Ireland Mrs N. Flynn Dame de Compagnie (FR) 8 Nicky Henderson Mr John P. McManus Zambella (FR) 6 Nigel Twiston-Davies Mr Simon Munir & Mr Isaac Souede
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I tell you what, there is every possibility Asterion Forlonge turns up here after all.
Looking at the pile Willie has left in:
Asterion Forlonge - Jumping issues and right handed (though haven't seen him go left handed over fences yet)
Blackbow - Not good enough?
Energumene - Arkle?
Franco De Port - Potentially under the radar, one form line we have (that I found anyway) puts him behind Asterion Forlonge though. Most likely suited to the Arkle?
Janidil - Beat heavily by Colreevy LTO, probably not good enough
Klassical Dream - Where is he?
Lord Royal - Looks to need further
Monkfish - RSA
Colreevy - Mares Chase, probably wouldn't be good enough for this race even with allowance
I can't see Willie not having a runner, so I suspect it will boil down to how they run and entries at the DRF.
Franco De Port could be his Arkle horse (and potentially Unexcepted still) which would release Energumene to come here, or vice versa, but aside from that he has nothing else that looks likely or potentially good enough, bar Asterion Forlonge. Willie has spoken about re-matches with horses previously, Min/Altior, Benie/Honeysuckle etc... and I think there is a possibility he'll want to have a crack at Envoi Allen with Asterion Forlonge, given he never made it past fence one the last day.
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Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View PostI tell you what, there is every possibility Asterion Forlonge turns up here after all.
Looking at the pile Willie has left in:
Asterion Forlonge - Jumping issues and right handed (though haven't seen him go left handed over fences yet)
Blackbow - Not good enough?
Energumene - Arkle?
Franco De Port - Potentially under the radar, one form line we have (that I found anyway) puts him behind Asterion Forlonge though. Most likely suited to the Arkle?
Janidil - Beat heavily by Colreevy LTO, probably not good enough
Klassical Dream - Where is he?
Lord Royal - Looks to need further
Monkfish - RSA
Colreevy - Mares Chase, probably wouldn't be good enough for this race even with allowance
I can't see Willie not having a runner, so I suspect it will boil down to how they run and entries at the DRF.
Franco De Port could be his Arkle horse (and potentially Unexcepted still) which would release Energumene to come here, or vice versa, but aside from that he has nothing else that looks likely or potentially good enough, bar Asterion Forlonge. Willie has spoken about re-matches with horses previously, Min/Altior, Benie/Honeysuckle etc... and I think there is a possibility he'll want to have a crack at Envoi Allen with Asterion Forlonge, given he never made it past fence one the last day.
You maybe right, but i seriously hope not as it would spoil the race to see others having to dodge him
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Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post
Maybe its a tactical play.....enter two and the loony one will clear the field for another to pop up the inside
You maybe right, but i seriously hope not as it would spoil the race to see others having to dodge him
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Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View PostI tell you what, there is every possibility Asterion Forlonge turns up here after all.
Looking at the pile Willie has left in:
Asterion Forlonge - Jumping issues and right handed (though haven't seen him go left handed over fences yet)
Blackbow - Not good enough?
Energumene - Arkle?
Franco De Port - Potentially under the radar, one form line we have (that I found anyway) puts him behind Asterion Forlonge though. Most likely suited to the Arkle?
Janidil - Beat heavily by Colreevy LTO, probably not good enough
Klassical Dream - Where is he?
Lord Royal - Looks to need further
Monkfish - RSA
Colreevy - Mares Chase, probably wouldn't be good enough for this race even with allowance
I can't see Willie not having a runner, so I suspect it will boil down to how they run and entries at the DRF.
Franco De Port could be his Arkle horse (and potentially Unexcepted still) which would release Energumene to come here, or vice versa, but aside from that he has nothing else that looks likely or potentially good enough, bar Asterion Forlonge. Willie has spoken about re-matches with horses previously, Min/Altior, Benie/Honeysuckle etc... and I think there is a possibility he'll want to have a crack at Envoi Allen with Asterion Forlonge, given he never made it past fence one the last day.
You can't go to Cheltenham on the back of 2 falls.
So he would need another run.
The Flogas is the obvious place but would he want to run into Monkfish?
Are there many other 2 mile 4 graded races other than the flogas from now until the Fez - i cant think of many, unless there is something on Trials day at Punchestown on 24/02.
Could happen but I think waiting for the Punchestown festival is more likely.
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Racing Post journalist has mentioned on twitter full story and quote from Willie should be up soon. Re TBG set back
Exciting novice chaser The Big Getaway looks set to miss the remainder of the season after suffering a fracture to his hock but trainer Willie Mullins is upbeat about the seven-year-old making a full recovery from the setback.
A wide-margin winner of a Leopardstown beginners' chase over Christmas, the Joe and Marie Donnelly-owned seven-year-old had been among the leading contenders for a variety of top-level novice chases at the Cheltenham Festival, but did not feature among the entries on Wednesday.
The Big Getaway established himself as a high-class novice hurdler last season, claiming third behind Envoi Allen and Easywork in the 2020 Ballymore Novices' Hurdle, and Mullins admitted his disappointment at the talented chaser's likely absence for the rest of the current campaign.
Mullins said: "Unfortunately The Big Getaway had a setback since his last run. He fractured a little bone in his hock that needed to be screwed so he's probably going to have to miss the rest of the season."
He added: "It's disappointing but the prognosis is very good for a full recovery."
Mullins was still responsible for nine entries in the Marsh Novices' Chase and six for the Sporting Life Arkle, including leading contender Energumene.
Mullins has just two entrants in the National Hunt Chase, with Asterion Forlonge a somewhat unexpected candidate alongside Lord Royal. Star novice Monkfish featured alongside both stablemates in the 3m Festival Novices' Chase, as well as Grade 1 winner Colreevy
Last edited by Big Bucks; 20 January 2021, 01:34 PM.
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Originally posted by Hardy Eustace View Post
Interesting angle.
You can't go to Cheltenham on the back of 2 falls.
So he would need another run.
The Flogas is the obvious place but would he want to run into Monkfish?
Are there many other 2 mile 4 graded races other than the flogas from now until the Fez - i cant think of many, unless there is something on Trials day at Punchestown on 24/02.
Could happen but I think waiting for the Punchestown festival is more likely.
Overall it is probably unlikely to happen, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion just yet.
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Originally posted by Big Bucks View PostRacing Post journalist has mentioned on twitter full story and quote from Willie should be up soon. Re TBG set back
Exciting novice chaser The Big Getaway looks set to miss the remainder of the season after suffering a fracture to his hock but trainer Willie Mullins is upbeat about the seven-year-old making a full recovery from the setback.
A wide-margin winner of a Leopardstown beginners' chase over Christmas, the Joe and Marie Donnelly-owned seven-year-old had been among the leading contenders for a variety of top-level novice chases at the Cheltenham Festival, but did not feature among the entries on Wednesday.
The Big Getaway established himself as a high-class novice hurdler last season, claiming third behind Envoi Allen and Easywork in the 2020 Ballymore Novices' Hurdle, and Mullins admitted his disappointment at the talented chaser's likely absence for the rest of the current campaign.
Mullins said: "Unfortunately The Big Getaway had a setback since his last run. He fractured a little bone in his hock that needed to be screwed so he's probably going to have to miss the rest of the season."
He added: "It's disappointing but the prognosis is very good for a full recovery."
Mullins was still responsible for nine entries in the Marsh Novices' Chase and six for the Sporting Life Arkle, including leading contender Energumene.
Mullins has just two entrants in the National Hunt Chase, with Asterion Forlonge a somewhat unexpected candidate alongside Lord Royal. Star novice Monkfish featured alongside both stablemates in the 3m Festival Novices' Chase, as well as Grade 1 winner Colreevy
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Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
Franco De Port could be his Arkle horse (and potentially Unexcepted still) which would release Energumene to come here, or vice versa, but aside from that he has nothing else that looks likely or potentially good enough, bar Asterion Forlonge. Willie has spoken about re-matches with horses previously, Min/Altior, Benie/Honeysuckle etc... and I think there is a possibility he'll want to have a crack at Envoi Allen with Asterion Forlonge, given he never made it past fence one the last day.
"He could stick at that trip, but you'd obviously look at a longer trip for him, maybe two and a half. I'd imagine the Dublin Racing Festival will be the plan, we'll see how he comes out of this race today "
He's actually 20/1 for the Flogas and shorter for the 2m race....Given the ground can sometimes come up fast at the DRF, Monkfish wouldn't be ideally suited, either would Pencilfulloflead. There's quite a lot of deadwood in that market- he might actually be a bet for it.
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