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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    Apple's Jade will be a penalty kick in the Mares Hurdle.

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    Inevitable chatter about Mullins/Ricci horses to come, and Limini did beat her but what Apple's Jade did in her 5yo season was nothing short of fantastic in hindsight.

    Already on Apple's Jade in some multiples but she is the biggest certainty of the week in this race for me.
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    Apples Jade wins...close the thread

    Banker of the meeting for me. No concerns she goes elsewhere imo.

    I haven't really seen it mentioned elsewhere but the thing that really impresses me with her is her record last year outside her juvenile season. Year after year we talk how hard it is for horses to step up that following year. Yes it maybe made slightly easier running against Mares where the standard isn't so high but it's still relative and she did win the Hatton's Grace against the boys that season. She won 3 grade 1 races in what is an extremely tough year for 4 year olds and came second in another. 7 grade one wins at the age of 5. Second in 2 more. It's unbelievable and she looks better and better every time she runs. And we know the Spring and better ground will bring improvement.
    Completely agree - didn't go into detail in the opening post but that is what seems to be under-played.

    I've watched todays race back and she clearly stays 3m well, as she made caught, passed and was pulling away from Supasundae at the line.

    That said, a 1/2L beating to Supasundae over 3m doesn't put her HEAD AND SHOULDERS above the boys in that division, and I cashed out my 2 pts on Apple's Shakira for the Stayers earlier on today....

    Elliott after the race said - "She'll be against the girls next time in Cheltenham, the mares' race is the plan. She's just five years old and has now won seven Grade Ones."

    He has already said after her win last time the mares is 100% the plan and I just can't see her beaten. Let's Dance's advantage of being a second season novice last year was all very well and good, but Apple's Jade was also in her second season but was in open company and winning open company Grade 1's. Let's Dance goes off 1/2 tomorrow - different league entirely.

    Agree with VVM and Limini - I'd fear Limini the most this season but that fear isn't really fear, i'm actually glad as her price will probably hold around even money for a while and even on the day if we're lucky.

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    If somebody asked the people at Skybet for a price on her NRNB, would we get one? I remember they did the specisl with Faugheen

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    For the sake of a long discussion. I'll put it here but nice performance by let's dance. She went 4/1 In running immediately as soon as they went off with her held up at the back. Which was strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby91 View Post
    For the sake of a long discussion. I'll put it here but nice performance by let's dance. She went 4/1 In running immediately as soon as they went off with her held up at the back. Which was strange.
    nearly turned the tele off after the first few flights she didn't look like she was at the races, strange race

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    I was very disappointed by Karalee today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby91 View Post
    For the sake of a long discussion. I'll put it here but nice performance by let's dance. She went 4/1 In running immediately as soon as they went off with her held up at the back. Which was strange.
    Bit of a drifter all morning and at the off ...

    Would you put her ahead of Limini and/or VVM

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    I'm getting more than a little nervous at the moment about Apple's jade not running here. , I have her in quite a few of my
    multiples and surely a great bet for this race , but with her winning at 3 miles , I'm concerned
    that michael o'leary will want her in the stayers , no matter what gordon elliot say's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigChaang View Post
    I'm getting more than a little nervous at the moment about Apple's jade not running here. , I have her in quite a few of my
    multiples and surely a great bet for this race , but with her winning at 3 miles , I'm concerned
    that michael o'leary will want her in the stayers , no matter what gordon elliot say's.
    I still don't see it. I think O'Leary will be quite happy to win the Mares race again, beating Mullins'/Ricci's horses in the process.

    It is a penalty kick. I see Lydia Hislop (and a few others) talking up Let's Dance which I find baffling.

    The 12/1 available with William Hill is tempting from an each-way perspective given all three opponents shorter than her – her two stablemates above and the superior (on this term’s form, at least) Apple’s Jade – would have to turn up and two of them run to their absolute best to knock her out of the frame on what she’s achieved even now. She is a Festival winner already, after all. Let’s take that 12/1, each-way more an essential than a pleasure.

    They're the same age, Apple's Jade was a better 4yo (ahead of LD at Cheltenhan and 9L ahead at Punchestown). The season after, Let's Dance was still a novice, so used that experience to do well in novice company last year, with the best run being the Mares Novice Hurdle win at Cheltenham. IN THE SAME SEASON Apple's Jade went in to open company and won 3 grade 1's, including the Mares Hurdle. Her form is superior at every single stage of their career!

    I don't understand why anyone would assume Let's Dance is improving any more than Apple's Jade would be to get anywhere near reversing the 4yo or 5yo form. Even on this years performances, Let's Dance won against Forge Meadow... Apple's Jade has beaten Nichols Canyon et al.

    10/1 (1/5 odds) advised each way is the best price you can get for Let's Dance. The only positive is that Mullins at the start of the season said that the OLGB Mares race is the plan. Although I'm sure that could change too. With Apple's Jade running, you're getting at best 2 places to aim at... and if she does make it there and place you're in effect putting a bet on at 1/2 for her to place!!!!!

    10 e/w at 10/1 - place returns 30. (20 total stake - 10 profit)

    One of the worst advised bets I've seen. I don't give LD any chance of beating AJ bar her not running or a fall (no reason to worry about either) and to back a place at 1/2 at this stage is bonkers.

    ***edit - Just heard Ricci on TalkSport say that Let's Dance could go for the Mares Race or the Stayers. SO the only positive I could find about the target now isn't certain!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    ***edit - Just heard Ricci on TalkSport say that Let's Dance could go for the Mares Race or the Stayers. SO the only positive I could find about the target now isn't certain!
    Listen to Ricci, he'll always steer you right Kev....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istabraq View Post
    Listen to Ricci, he'll always steer you right Kev....
    In this case I wouldn't even put free bets on the horse, so he can say what he likes

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