Jono Posted something in the JLT thread about the record of the 2016 horses at the 2017 festival and it got me thinking...
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2017 Festival Winners
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Are there any other Winners from 2017 that we/the market may have missed/underestimated?
Non-handicap winners (Best Prices available)
Labaik (Injured)
Altior @ 6/4 for Champion Chase
Buveur D'air @ 4/1 for Champion Hurdle
Apples Jade @ 3/1 for Mares Hurdle
Tiger Roll ... Grand National Bound??
Willoughby Court @ 16/1 for JLT
Might Bite @ 10/1 for Gold Cup
Special Tiara @ 25/1 for Champion Chase
Cause of Causes @ 7/1 for X-Country
Fayonagh @ 7/2
Yorkhill @ 8/1 for Gold Cup, 8/1 for Ryanair, 12/1 Champion Hurdle
Un De Sceaux @ 13/2 for Ryanair
Nichols Canyon @ 7/1 for Stayers
Let's Dance @ 11/1 for Mares Hurdle
Defi Du Seuil @ 8/1 for Champion Hurdle
Penhill @ 18/1 for Stayers, 20/1 for RSA
Sizing John @ 6/1 for Gold Cup
Pacha Du Polder @ 12/1 for Foxhunter
Many have not been missed by the market at all, but the ones in BOLD are for the most part - assured of target and I was surprised by some of the prices.
Let's Dance @ 11/1?
Is that down to uncertainty of target? Personally, I think that she is better suited by the middle distance Mares, than the shorter Mares Novice..
Nichols Canyon @ 7/1
Cracking price - Sunbets, BetBright and StanJames
Discussed a great deal in the Stayers thread, but I am yet to include in singles (have covered in some multiples)
Un De Sceaux @ 13/2
The field generally falls apart and again, a great price if he gets there fit and firing
Special Tiara @ 25/1
This interested me a great deal.
NOT a win only play, but possibly as an EW play.
Although I would be loathed to tie up twice the cash
I'm not saying the above are by any means nailed-on to follow-up, but every year, there are a fair number of horses that win at back-to-back festivals...
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1st day placed horses Handicaps
1st Un Temps Pour Tout 9/1 2nd Singlefarpayment 3rd Noble Endeavour 4th Buywise Ultima Handicap
1st Tully East 2nd Gold Present 3rd Two Taffs Close Brother Novices Handicap Chase
Think there was only 2 1st day.
I help you out Leman14Last edited by Liam301287; 18 October 2017, 12:59 PM.
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Day 2 Placed horses
2:50 Coral Cup
1st Supasundae 2nd Taquin Du Seull 3rd Who Dares wins
4;50 Fred Winter
1st Flying Tiger 2nd Divin Bere 3rd Nietzsche
That's the first 2 days guys. Do the other 2 days later.Last edited by Liam301287; 18 October 2017, 01:02 PM.
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OK then...
Let's start with the Tuesday from 2017...
Supreme Novices Hurdle
Labaik - Injured
Melon - Staying over Hurdles - 20/1 for the Champion Hurdle
River Wylde - Novice Chasing (?) - 25/1 for the Arkle
Arkle
Altior - 6/4 for the Champion Chase
Cloudy Dream - 40/1 for the Champion Chase
Ordinary World - ???
Ultima Handicap Chase
Un temps Pour Tout
Singlefarmpayment
Noble Endeavour
Buywise
Champion Hurdle
Buveur D'air - 4/1 for the Champion Hurdle
My Tent Or Yours - 50/1 for the Champion Hurdle
Petit Mouchoir - 10/1 for the Arkle (and 10/1 for the JLT, but only one quote)
Mares Hurdle
Apples Jade - 3/1 for the Mares Hurdle
Vroum Vroum Mag - 10/1 for the Mares Hurdle
Limini - 6/1 for the Mares Hurdle
National Hunt Chase
Tiger Roll
Missed Approach
Haymount
Close Brothers Novice Handicap Chase
Tully East
Gold Present
Two Taffs
Powersbomb
I'm not aware of the plans for all of the above BUT for those better connected that I - please feel free to add your thoughts on where they may be headed...
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Good idea for a thread this.
Just seeing the Mares hurdle price for Apples Jade made me think how wrong that quote could be.
Do Giggs have a Champion Hurdle horse ?
Petit Mouchoir is chasing now and unless they've been busy at the sales I can't think of another Giggs horse to represent the yard in the premier hurdle race, it may just be that AJ is re-routed in that direction....
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Originally posted by Istabraq View PostSo if we agree the horse shouldn't be 3/1 for the Mares, laying her makes sense or backing both Limini and VVM ?
Not sure the winner comes from outside those...
"I'm a firm believer in campaigning horses in races that they can win, and right now she looks like she'll take all the beating in the mares' hurdle at Cheltenham again. She was a star for us last season, winning three grade 1s and it's hard to believe she is still only 5 years old. I wouldn't rule out the 3m hurdle route altogether, but shorter trips are the plan for now."
I personally don't think Gigginstown will care enough about having a runner in the Champion Hurdle or stayers hurdle.... they only want Gold Cup horses, or winners....
I wouldn't go anywhere near for the Champion Hurdle..... moderately interested in her for the stayers but don't think the price is big enough when it seems to not be the aim?
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