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2017 Festival Winners

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  • 2017 Festival Winners

    Jono Posted something in the JLT thread about the record of the 2016 horses at the 2017 festival and it got me thinking...

  • #2
    Are there any other Winners from 2017 that we/the market may have missed/underestimated?

    Non-handicap winners (Best Prices available)

    Labaik (Injured)
    Altior @ 6/4 for Champion Chase
    Buveur D'air @ 4/1 for Champion Hurdle
    Apples Jade @ 3/1 for Mares Hurdle
    Tiger Roll ... Grand National Bound??
    Willoughby Court @ 16/1 for JLT
    Might Bite @ 10/1 for Gold Cup
    Special Tiara @ 25/1 for Champion Chase
    Cause of Causes @ 7/1 for X-Country
    Fayonagh @ 7/2
    Yorkhill @ 8/1 for Gold Cup, 8/1 for Ryanair, 12/1 Champion Hurdle
    Un De Sceaux @ 13/2 for Ryanair
    Nichols Canyon @ 7/1 for Stayers
    Let's Dance @ 11/1 for Mares Hurdle
    Defi Du Seuil @ 8/1 for Champion Hurdle
    Penhill @ 18/1 for Stayers, 20/1 for RSA
    Sizing John @ 6/1 for Gold Cup
    Pacha Du Polder @ 12/1 for Foxhunter

    Many have not been missed by the market at all, but the ones in BOLD are for the most part - assured of target and I was surprised by some of the prices.

    Let's Dance @ 11/1?
    Is that down to uncertainty of target? Personally, I think that she is better suited by the middle distance Mares, than the shorter Mares Novice..

    Nichols Canyon @ 7/1
    Cracking price - Sunbets, BetBright and StanJames
    Discussed a great deal in the Stayers thread, but I am yet to include in singles (have covered in some multiples)

    Un De Sceaux @ 13/2
    The field generally falls apart and again, a great price if he gets there fit and firing

    Special Tiara @ 25/1
    This interested me a great deal.
    NOT a win only play, but possibly as an EW play.
    Although I would be loathed to tie up twice the cash


    I'm not saying the above are by any means nailed-on to follow-up, but every year, there are a fair number of horses that win at back-to-back festivals...

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    • #3
      It is maybe worth expanding this to placed horses as well, especially in the handicaps.

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      • #4
        Will also look into Handicap Winners and Placed Horses in all races - just need to find the time to do so

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        • #5
          1st day placed horses Handicaps

          1st Un Temps Pour Tout 9/1 2nd Singlefarpayment 3rd Noble Endeavour 4th Buywise Ultima Handicap

          1st Tully East 2nd Gold Present 3rd Two Taffs Close Brother Novices Handicap Chase

          Think there was only 2 1st day.
          I help you out Leman14
          Last edited by Liam301287; 18 October 2017, 12:59 PM.

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          • #6
            Day 2 Placed horses

            2:50 Coral Cup

            1st Supasundae 2nd Taquin Du Seull 3rd Who Dares wins

            4;50 Fred Winter

            1st Flying Tiger 2nd Divin Bere 3rd Nietzsche

            That's the first 2 days guys. Do the other 2 days later.
            Last edited by Liam301287; 18 October 2017, 01:02 PM.

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            • #7
              OK then...

              Let's start with the Tuesday from 2017...

              Supreme Novices Hurdle
              Labaik - Injured
              Melon - Staying over Hurdles - 20/1 for the Champion Hurdle
              River Wylde - Novice Chasing (?) - 25/1 for the Arkle

              Arkle
              Altior - 6/4 for the Champion Chase
              Cloudy Dream - 40/1 for the Champion Chase
              Ordinary World - ???

              Ultima Handicap Chase
              Un temps Pour Tout
              Singlefarmpayment
              Noble Endeavour
              Buywise

              Champion Hurdle
              Buveur D'air - 4/1 for the Champion Hurdle
              My Tent Or Yours - 50/1 for the Champion Hurdle
              Petit Mouchoir - 10/1 for the Arkle (and 10/1 for the JLT, but only one quote)

              Mares Hurdle
              Apples Jade - 3/1 for the Mares Hurdle
              Vroum Vroum Mag - 10/1 for the Mares Hurdle
              Limini - 6/1 for the Mares Hurdle

              National Hunt Chase
              Tiger Roll
              Missed Approach
              Haymount

              Close Brothers Novice Handicap Chase
              Tully East
              Gold Present
              Two Taffs
              Powersbomb

              I'm not aware of the plans for all of the above BUT for those better connected that I - please feel free to add your thoughts on where they may be headed...

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              • #8
                Good idea for a thread this.
                Just seeing the Mares hurdle price for Apples Jade made me think how wrong that quote could be.
                Do Giggs have a Champion Hurdle horse ?
                Petit Mouchoir is chasing now and unless they've been busy at the sales I can't think of another Giggs horse to represent the yard in the premier hurdle race, it may just be that AJ is re-routed in that direction....

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                • #9
                  If AJ was mine it would be Stayers all day long.

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                  • #10
                    Good work Leman.

                    I think Cloudy Dream will be stepped up in trip and wonder if they'll attempt 3m with him this season.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by archie View Post
                      If AJ was mine it would be Stayers all day long.
                      So if we agree the horse shouldn't be 3/1 for the Mares, laying her makes sense or backing both Limini and VVM ?
                      Not sure the winner comes from outside those...

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                      • #12
                        1. I don't lay but,

                        2. I'd have Let's Dance ahead of VVM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
                          So if we agree the horse shouldn't be 3/1 for the Mares, laying her makes sense or backing both Limini and VVM ?
                          Not sure the winner comes from outside those...
                          Elliott said in the RP stable tour a few days back when talking about Apple's Jade:

                          "I'm a firm believer in campaigning horses in races that they can win, and right now she looks like she'll take all the beating in the mares' hurdle at Cheltenham again. She was a star for us last season, winning three grade 1s and it's hard to believe she is still only 5 years old. I wouldn't rule out the 3m hurdle route altogether, but shorter trips are the plan for now."




                          I personally don't think Gigginstown will care enough about having a runner in the Champion Hurdle or stayers hurdle.... they only want Gold Cup horses, or winners....

                          I wouldn't go anywhere near for the Champion Hurdle..... moderately interested in her for the stayers but don't think the price is big enough when it seems to not be the aim?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Leman14 View Post
                            Ultima Handicap Chase
                            Un temps Pour Tout
                            Think he goes to the gold cup based of Twitter and Harry Drew

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                            • #15
                              This is a very informative post, good work

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