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    I think both horses ran with credit and both trainers will be happy. Heavy ground on the first run of the season this early isn't the best gauge but i'd be amazed, based on that run if they dropped Ballyandy in trip now. If anything I'd say the RSA over the Arkle trip wise could suit best. Fagan could be one for the National Hunt Chase this season? I know a few others and myself gave him a mention last season. Definitely the further the better for him

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    I was disappointed in that , hoping to see more from Ballyandy in all honesty.

    Either Ballyandy ran below par ,Fagin ran above expectations in ground , Fagin has improved for fences , Ballyandy carrying same condition as his trainer.

    Lets hope Ballyandy moved up in trip ,seems we all in agreement further the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beast View Post
    I was disappointed in that , hoping to see more from Ballyandy in all honesty.

    Either Ballyandy ran below par ,Fagin ran above expectations in ground , Fagin has improved for fences , Ballyandy carrying same condition as his trainer.

    Lets hope Ballyandy moved up in trip ,seems we all in agreement further the better.
    Fagan is a decent horse and I'd expect him to be lining up in the 4m at Cheltenham in march. I thought it was a decent debut over fences given the ground and opposition.

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    Rathvinden was quite impressive yesterday and I see he is being aimed at the Drinmore (2m4f). Quite a few previous winners of the race have ended up wanting further to show their best but as a novice, I can see this being the target? Rathvinden did place in the Neptune behind Faugheen over the same distance and on his other visit to the track was second to Red SHerlock (who was highly hyped and only ran once since so I assume the worst)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    Rathvinden was quite impressive yesterday and I see he is being aimed at the Drinmore (2m4f). Quite a few previous winners of the race have ended up wanting further to show their best but as a novice, I can see this being the target? Rathvinden did place in the Neptune behind Faugheen over the same distance and on his other visit to the track was second to Red SHerlock (who was highly hyped and only ran once since so I assume the worst)?

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    Save your money Kev and top up on FO to win this.
    To be honest I think Rathvinden is picking up races now before the big guns come out. I don't see him troubling the top horses

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingSprinterSacre View Post
    Save your money Kev and top up on FO to win this.
    To be honest I think Rathvinden is picking up races now before the big guns come out. I don't see him troubling the top horses
    Here is a question... do we have any 'top horses' this year in the novice chase ranks?

    Nothing is unbeaten, and history proves time and time again that when they all beat each other there probably isn't a standout... they can all 'have their day'.

    Neon Wolf, Finian's Oscar and Death Duty we're the three I'd have had up as the top prospects, while Yanworth brings a high level of form but has to be an anomoly for horses with an extra year over hurdles. Bacardys wasn't top class all season, Willoughby Court is about as solid as we have? I wouldn't say any of them are top class relative to some recent seasons, when some of the "top class" novices would not (and PROVED) they we're not out of place in open company (Coneygree, Altior, Thistlecrack)

    just a thought....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    Here is a question... do we have any 'top horses' this year in the novice chase ranks?

    Nothing is unbeaten, and history proves time and time again that when they all beat each other there probably isn't a standout... they can all 'have their day'.

    Neon Wolf, Finian's Oscar and Death Duty we're the three I'd have had up as the top prospects, while Yanworth brings a high level of form but has to be an anomoly for horses with an extra year over hurdles. Bacardys wasn't top class all season, Willoughby Court is about as solid as we have? I wouldn't say any of them are top class relative to some recent seasons, when some of the "top class" novices would not (and PROVED) they we're not out of place in open company (Coneygree, Altior, Thistlecrack)

    just a thought....
    To be honest I believe FO is a top horse. He won his point and within 70 odd days he had won a grade 1 over hurdles.
    he only lost his final race of the season by a short head after being collared late on. To have such a good hurdle season when chasing is meant to be his game marked him out as a very special horse to me. As you can tell I am excited by him.
    As for the others I agree. I'm hoping death duty will be top class though. Tomorrow will be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
    Fagan is a decent horse and I'd expect him to be lining up in the 4m at Cheltenham in march. I thought it was a decent debut over fences given the ground and opposition.
    If Fagin lining up in four miler , id suggest Fagin is a plodder and nothing exceptional and wont be contesting the top graded races. Fair horse yes , but i wouldnt be expecting fireworks ,more a gentile sparkler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingSprinterSacre View Post
    To be honest I believe FO is a top horse. He won his point and within 70 odd days he had won a grade 1 over hurdles.
    he only lost his final race of the season by a short head after being collared late on. To have such a good hurdle season when chasing is meant to be his game marked him out as a very special horse to me. As you can tell I am excited by him.
    As for the others I agree. I'm hoping death duty will be top class though. Tomorrow will be interesting.
    Looks like we're down to just 1 top class novice then! 10/1 this race or 6/1 any race may look silly BUT

    I haven't backed Rathvinden yet, but we can surely assume Mullins will have one of the first 3 in the betting for this race, he has targeted it for years now

    2011 Noble Prince Tony McCoy Paul Nolan (11/1 Blazing Tempo - Ruby still riding for Nicholls at this point)
    2012 Sir Des Champs Davy Russell Willie Mullins
    2013 Benefficient Bryan Cooper Tony Martin (Mullins had a 12/1 shot Marito)
    2014 Taquin du Seuil Tony McCoy Jonjo O'Neill (Felix Yonger 7/2f - 4th)
    2015 Vautour Ruby Walsh Willie Mullins
    2016 Black Hercules Ruby Walsh Willie Mullins
    2017 Yorkhill Ruby Walsh Willie Mullins


    In the betting we have Footpad, Melon, Bacardys, Chacun Pour Soi, Invitation Only, Rathvinden ..... I can't see Melon stepping up in trip/chasing so I'll rule that out. Bacardys almost certainly further...

    Any news on Footpad, just about to go out so not got time to look....
    Chacun Pour Soi - 33/1 shot and put up as a horse to follow by Ricci and Joe Chambers....
    Invitation Only - again, no idea if chasing...
    Rathvinden - placed on both visits to Cheltenham including the festival...

    at 33/1 you can see why I've given it a double take at least?

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    Oh yes mate i can certainly see why you have made the case. I just tend to be wary about horses out from the summer who are picking up wins while most of the proper jumpers are on their holidays. Think hes been on the go since July and has been busy enough.

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