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  1. #1631
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy View Post
    I know O'Leary has said Samcro goes ballymore but bet365 are now gone 14/1 nrnb on him for here. If it turns up heavy I wouldn't be surprised if he goes back in trip
    Agree. Absolutely nothing to lose

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    Probably spent more than enough time on this race that I should probably just give in now and let be what will be, however, I thought I'd take another look and different angles, as mine mostly consist of the Irish lot, and I came up with the following conclusion:

    I had reservations about ITCF' form, because of the level he had competed at, and fair play to Scooby who has been with him from the word go, I'm just jumping on the band wagon after the bird as flown, so to speak, but for me you just can't crab any of his form. He has form lines through Irish Prophecy that puts him ahead of Kalashnikov, beating the former by 28 lengths giving 3lb away, whereas Kalashnikov beat the same horse by 10 lengths off levels, this also puts him ahead of Summerville Boy who put 4 lengths between himself and Kalashnikov too.

    Now, collateral form isn't probably the strongest to base the argument on, so I took a look at his latest win at Kempton, and the horses that followed him home that day have form figures since then of: 5th (Diese Des Bieffes, up in class and trip for very first time, still a very solid run, only beaten 3 3/4 legnths by a current festival race favourite), 1st (Solomon Grey, class 3 handicap, but beat what was a well fancied horse for the festival anyway in Oxford Blu), 2nd (Simply The Betts, class 2 handicap in which Claimintakinforgan was also beat), 3rd & 1st (Ar Mest, class 4 handicaps). The race ITCF won at Kempton has a very solid feel about it, 4 of them, including ITCF had won LTO too.

    Of the British challengers I'd have to say that Scooby has likely been right all along (sorry for the doubt haha), but I feel better putting it in my own words, but at the same time feel/know the value has likely gone.

    I do still, however, think it will take a very good one to knock Getabird out of the way!

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    I would love If The Cap Fits to win this.

    My best result in singles and best potential with multiples too.

    Mengli Khan, Getabird and Claimintakinforgan aren't far behind though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    I would love If The Cap Fits to win this.

    My best result in singles and best potential with multiples too.

    Mengli Khan, Getabird and Claimintakinforgan aren't far behind though
    Same 4 for me in this Kevloaf , although I have stuck Dr Des in for a cheeky 66-1 outsider.

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    A few years back a friend of mine said take a look at the time Faugheen clocked when he won the xmas hurdle the day Altior won the novice race. There was only a split between the two on the clock. This season If the cap fits clocked 3m55.1 in the novice race where as Buveur D air clocked 3m57.50 in the xmas hurdle. Admittedly I think BD could of gone a bit quicker but you have to take note that ITCF would've run BD close and beaten The New One. Take this as you please but on the back of that day im all in on ITCF. I cant vision anything else in the supreme that could clock a similar time to the champion hurdle fav.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
    Probably spent more than enough time on this race that I should probably just give in now and let be what will be, however, I thought I'd take another look and different angles, as mine mostly consist of the Irish lot, and I came up with the following conclusion:

    I had reservations about ITCF' form, because of the level he had competed at, and fair play to Scooby who has been with him from the word go, I'm just jumping on the band wagon after the bird as flown, so to speak, but for me you just can't crab any of his form. He has form lines through Irish Prophecy that puts him ahead of Kalashnikov, beating the former by 28 lengths giving 3lb away, whereas Kalashnikov beat the same horse by 10 lengths off levels, this also puts him ahead of Summerville Boy who put 4 lengths between himself and Kalashnikov too.

    Now, collateral form isn't probably the strongest to base the argument on, so I took a look at his latest win at Kempton, and the horses that followed him home that day have form figures since then of: 5th (Diese Des Bieffes, up in class and trip for very first time, still a very solid run, only beaten 3 3/4 legnths by a current festival race favourite), 1st (Solomon Grey, class 3 handicap, but beat what was a well fancied horse for the festival anyway in Oxford Blu), 2nd (Simply The Betts, class 2 handicap in which Claimintakinforgan was also beat), 3rd & 1st (Ar Mest, class 4 handicaps). The race ITCF won at Kempton has a very solid feel about it, 4 of them, including ITCF had won LTO too.

    Of the British challengers I'd have to say that Scooby has likely been right all along (sorry for the doubt haha), but I feel better putting it in my own words, but at the same time feel/know the value has likely gone.

    I do still, however, think it will take a very good one to knock Getabird out of the way!
    I’ve been a big fan of the horse and he’s my only play in this at 16s (that price was any race after his hurdle debut).

    I actually backed him at 50/1 for the Champion bumper last year but he was saved for Aintree. The way he quickened in a race at a tight track bunker race last year at a track I can’t rememebr was absolutely superb. So I’ve followed him since.

    I expected after that 16s to back something else for this but I’ve found myself tipping up as the season has gone in.

    As it turns out, he’s my only bet. Depending on the price at the off, I may have a saver on Kilashnikov but ITCF is a very good horse imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One f in fulham View Post
    A few years back a friend of mine said take a look at the time Faugheen clocked when he won the xmas hurdle the day Altior won the novice race. There was only a split between the two on the clock. This season If the cap fits clocked 3m55.1 in the novice race where as Buveur D air clocked 3m57.50 in the xmas hurdle. Admittedly I think BD could of gone a bit quicker but you have to take note that ITCF would've run BD close and beaten The New One. Take this as you please but on the back of that day im all in on ITCF. I cant vision anything else in the supreme that could clock a similar time to the champion hurdle fav.
    folowed similar thinking back in 2009 - Menorah and go native/Binocular - and look what happened there

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