scooby - you seem to be well up on anything coming over from France.... how-so? if you don't mind me asking. (It is brilliant, more info the better) - I''m just curious!
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Supreme Novices 2018
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Speaking of French horses... on the ATR website MArtin Kelly has put up a Ricci one that slipped under the radar, although I see is 20/1 for the Supreme...
Sharjah (FR)
4-y-o; gelding
Breeding: Doctor Dino - Saaryeh (Royal Academy)
Trained by: W P Mullins
Last Race: Gowran Park, 29 Sep 2017 14:15
Result: Won/19, led early, headed 2nd, regained lead 3 out, went clear approaching last, shaken up briefly run-in, stayed on strongly, easily
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Willie Mullins has hit the ground running this autumn and it was impossible not to be impressed with Sharjah’s winning debut at Gowran at the end of September.
Running in the Rich Ricci colours, the four-year-old was prominent under Ruby Walsh from the outset and showed plenty of boot to extend away and collect by an laughably easy five lengths.
Sharjah was a mile-and-a-half winner in France and was given a year off after his arrival at Mullins’s yard – a tactic which seems to work well and gives the French horses time to acclimatise.
It is impossible to know where he sits in the Mullins pecking order but I thought this was a taking debut and he looks a sure-fire Graded winner in waiting.
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Originally posted by Kevloaf View Postscooby - you seem to be well up on anything coming over from France.... how-so? if you don't mind me asking. (It is brilliant, more info the better) - I''m just curious!https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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Originally posted by Kevloaf View PostSpeaking of French horses... on the ATR website MArtin Kelly has put up a Ricci one that slipped under the radar, although I see is 20/1 for the Supreme...
Know anything about him?
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Originally posted by Scooby91 View PostWhich one?
I know of 18 ricci novice/juveniles
Could be another Melbourne cup horse down the linehttps://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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I'm always a bit skeptical about the early season runners for WPM with regards to novice hurdle races at the festival.
Champagne Fever, Douvan & Faugheen all started their preparations in November, all went on to win and were indeed WPM's main hopes (based on the betting), whilst Vautour & Min were December, 1st and 2nd respectively at the festival but again were WPM's main hopes, and as proved the case Melon had a monumental task to win the Supreme with only the one run before the actual festival, and that was in January, but finished a solid 2nd, but again was his main hope on race day.
For me there seems to be a bit of a pattern, his best novices do not come out before November, so that they peak for the festival, he does indeed send out some decent novices out prior to his best appearing for the season to keep the yard ticking over and to pick up nice pots for all connections, if their respective horses are good enough.
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I was at Gowran for Sharjah straight after the stable visit. They were pretty confident.
As far as the start date is concerned, COD's rule of thumb is pretty sound because the ones that are seen as spring festival prospects don't come back in until the end of July. However, there are always one or two who may not be quite ready for Punchestown and their novice status is preserved for the next season with Galway an early target. Bachasson and Long Dog would be examples and, of course, Penhill last season.
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Originally posted by Scooby91 View PostNo triumph thread but Malay a is also entered up on Sunday where if she runs I expect her to smash gumball on the bridle. French mare straight from the top draw.
Very excited about Malaya, the best purchase iv seen so far for me, imo head and shoulders above apples shakira.
with melody of scotland for jp/ king another very nice mare.https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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Originally posted by Scooby91 View PostSam t d jocked up. Will be very interested in the opening betting after gumball romping home previously and hoping the market will be all wrong.
Very excited about Malaya, the best purchase iv seen so far for me, imo head and shoulders above apples shakira.
with melody of scotland for jp/ king another very nice mare.
One thing I do always have an issue with is collateral French form as it quite often does not stack up when the horses enter training in the UK or Ireland and you can see dramatic improvements. For instance, Vautour was beaten twice in France before moving to Mullins. On his second start he was beaten 6l by Black River getting 4lbs. Vautour went on to be a 176 chaser and Black River a lowly 132. These young, inexperienced horses are all brought along at different rates so for some, their French form can be barely scratching the surface of their ability but for others it could be as good as they get.
So although the form of Malaya looks impressive right now, I'd take a punt that Apples Shakira may turn out to be the better horse in time.
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Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View PostGood shout on Malaya and I will keep an eye on her.
One thing I do always have an issue with is collateral French form as it quite often does not stack up when the horses enter training in the UK or Ireland and you can see dramatic improvements. For instance, Vautour was beaten twice in France before moving to Mullins. On his second start he was beaten 6l by Black River getting 4lbs. Vautour went on to be a 176 chaser and Black River a lowly 132. These young, inexperienced horses are all brought along at different rates so for some, their French form can be barely scratching the surface of their ability but for others it could be as good as they get.
So although the form of Malaya looks impressive right now, I'd take a punt that Apples Shakira may turn out to be the better horse in time.Last edited by Scooby91; 13 October 2017, 01:01 PM.https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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Originally posted by Scooby91 View PostI agree completely with what you are saying, you cant always take the form literally. but with the likes of vautour (maccaire) they know what they are doing when retaining there novice status for a higher fee. And recommending them to Pierre boullard/ mullins
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