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    The horses mentioned above would be ones who will hopefully step forward on their Festival performances.

    The two horses from the Festival that I would view in a negative light would be Yorkhill and Un De Sceaux. I couldn't see why their two wins have attracted quite so much praise.

    Yorkhill displayed hardly any of the expected complications but only beat what was a pretty ordinary Grade 2 field by a length. Ruby said he idled but personally I don't think he could have found another length. Take your pick? I think he is more likely to end up dropping in trip rather than going further but whatever distance he will surely need to improve to land a well contested Grade 1. In a better race would those wayward tendencies reappear?

    I suspect Un De Sceaux probably didn't need to run to anything more than about 163 to take the Ryanair. I doubt very much Sub Lieutenant has run within 7lbs of his mark and it seems even less likely that Aso has suddenly found a dramatic improvement. He took advantage of the race falling apart. Empire Of Dirt was 14-20lbs below his best and less surprisingly Uxizandre bombed. In short Un De Sceaux didn't really have to do much more than produce a clean round.

    Of course it depends on the opposition but I suspect both these horses are going to be worth taking on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinloch brae View Post
    The horses mentioned above would be ones who will hopefully step forward on their Festival performances.

    The two horses from the Festival that I would view in a negative light would be Yorkhill and Un De Sceaux. I couldn't see why their two wins have attracted quite so much praise.

    Yorkhill displayed hardly any of the expected complications but only beat what was a pretty ordinary Grade 2 field by a length. Ruby said he idled but personally I don't think he could have found another length. Take your pick? I think he is more likely to end up dropping in trip rather than going further but whatever distance he will surely need to improve to land a well contested Grade 1. In a better race would those wayward tendencies reappear?

    I suspect Un De Sceaux probably didn't need to run to anything more than about 163 to take the Ryanair. I doubt very much Sub Lieutenant has run within 7lbs of his mark and it seems even less likely that Aso has suddenly found a dramatic improvement. He took advantage of the race falling apart. Empire Of Dirt was 14-20lbs below his best and less surprisingly Uxizandre bombed. In short Un De Sceaux didn't really have to do much more than produce a clean round.

    Of course it depends on the opposition but I suspect both these horses are going to be worth taking on.
    I would go along with all of that. I think they might try Yorkhill over further this season and can easily drop him back to 2m or just go back for the Ryanair again next time. If Henderson want to win GB trainers Altior might go for the Melling ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinloch brae View Post
    The horses mentioned above would be ones who will hopefully step forward on their Festival performances.

    The two horses from the Festival that I would view in a negative light would be Yorkhill and Un De Sceaux. I couldn't see why their two wins have attracted quite so much praise.

    Yorkhill displayed hardly any of the expected complications but only beat what was a pretty ordinary Grade 2 field by a length. Ruby said he idled but personally I don't think he could have found another length. Take your pick? I think he is more likely to end up dropping in trip rather than going further but whatever distance he will surely need to improve to land a well contested Grade 1. In a better race would those wayward tendencies reappear?

    I suspect Un De Sceaux probably didn't need to run to anything more than about 163 to take the Ryanair. I doubt very much Sub Lieutenant has run within 7lbs of his mark and it seems even less likely that Aso has suddenly found a dramatic improvement. He took advantage of the race falling apart. Empire Of Dirt was 14-20lbs below his best and less surprisingly Uxizandre bombed. In short Un De Sceaux didn't really have to do much more than produce a clean round.

    Of course it depends on the opposition but I suspect both these horses are going to be worth taking on.
    Yorkhill is the type that people will either love or hate. When you consider he beat Jett by 1.25 lengths virtually the same as top notch i think it clearly shows he idles when put in front. He did the exact same vs Yanworth + OO Seven. Yorkhill displayed very little of the previous tendencies as he was given a fairly good ride. When he is kept in cover he can be kept quiet. Ruby does it very well. If anything though, he was put to the front a good bit too early, but when the gaps present themselves in that type of ride he was probably right to take it!
    On his future targets as we know its completely up in the air. I wouldn't know where to start as they have Douvan to consider when he comes back as well. Hence the difficulty with Nichols Canyon this year- if one of the CH two had come back he wouldnt have been running over 2m like he did most of the season. Once they get Douvan back, and see what he's about after this injury, Yorkhill's target will probably become clearer. One thing i do know is Yorkhill will still have the odd bad race like Punchestown last year, he's not going to be a Douvan and win baring fall/injury as he's nowhere as professional.

    For UDS- his race didn't go to plan as he went off like a buck which they hadn't planned on doing. I think over 2m5, the fact he won running like that is fairly impressive. His jumping was pretty much electric minus maybe 1. I will still admit i prefer him over 2miles flying out in front but on this ground he is good over 2m5 as well it seems. I understand your thoughts on the other horses not performing, but that often happens when a horse runs from the front and gets the rest out of their comfort zones.

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    The Worlds End - Was tanking and just moved upsides in the AB before tumbling at the 2nd last. Don't know if he'd of beaten Penhill but had first run on the leaders and would of been at least in the places judging by the way he was moving at the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMcGoldrick View Post
    Quite a few didn't give their running so hard to assess, Yorkhill over further could be very good and I would expect Ruby to push for a Gold cup campaign next season, I'm sure he won't want to be looking forward to challenging for a place on Djakadam again
    Agree MMG, and I've had my first 2018 a/p punt that that's the route they'll plot for him.

    Where do you think they will go with Melon? Looked like he has the stature to make a nice chaser - Arkle contender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brital View Post
    Agree MMG, and I've had my first 2018 a/p punt that that's the route they'll plot for him.

    Where do you think they will go with Melon? Looked like he has the stature to make a nice chaser - Arkle contender?
    Mullins in the Chelt open day said something along the lines of "we bought him to be a CH horse, but he does have some scope for a fence".....

    On Yorkhill, the fact that Mullins has said that he thinks he could go over hurdles, and now there is talk of him going for the Gold Cup, you've gotta be bonkers to be taking less than 20/1 for any target for that horse? I love the horse now, after he landed me my biggest ever return, but as an ante-post prospect he is the so easy to aboid? At least VVM had 'a soft' option. Yorkhill could go off fav in the CC, Ryanair, Gold Cup, Champion Hurdle.

    I really liked UDS' performance and thought he was the best horse in the race before it, and I feel that race has proven it. I think he would have won the CC this year with that same performance and would have finished 2nd to Douvan, had Douvan been 100%. Still only beaten by SS, and keeps getting knocked.... don't mind that though, these types tend to be under-bet and keep on delivering.

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    Is Yorkhill in fact .... The new Vroum Vroum Mag . ... where will he turn up next year ??????.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigChaang View Post
    Is Yorkhill in fact .... The new Vroum Vroum Mag . ... where will he turn up next year ??????.
    I think Yorkhill will have a more clearly defined path because Wylie and Ricci are different animals. It can't have escaped the notice of other major owners that the shenanigans regularly engaged in by Ricci has been far more detrimental to horses than beneficial, not being a total banker makes Wylie smarter I reckon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brital View Post
    Agree MMG, and I've had my first 2018 a/p punt that that's the route they'll plot for him.

    Where do you think they will go with Melon? Looked like he has the stature to make a nice chaser - Arkle contender?
    Melon looks made for chasing doesn't he, hell of a specimen, not built for flicking over hurdles but still put up a good performance

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    Min deserves a mention on related form.

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