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    Fat Jockey (ridden out claim) Jonnymac05's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    Anything in particular you are hoping gets that treatment ?
    Velvet Maker will need 6lbs rise based on last years cutoff and Ice Cold Soul is of interest but will need 8lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    Jackie - how do you approach the handicaps. Do you back a few? Strict set of rules? Follow trends? Ones from the tracker? Market vibes? Unlucky horses? Laid out horses? Certain connections?

    You have posted much more in the handicap thread in particular so I'm assuming the handicaps are your cup of tea? ..I'd be interested to know how you approach them if that is the case... I am sure I'm not alone
    I certainly enjoy the challenge of the handicaps and I've had some modest success over the years. I would not say that I'm an out and out trends man and this can be my downfall at times. I like to find certain handicap races during the season where I believe the form to be very strong. I don't always focus on the winners but sometimes the placed horses who have proven that they can run well in big handicaps and escaped a harsh penalty. I also focus on routines as well. Some trainers follow similar routes to the festival with their horses and they are merely trying to get the horse to Cheltenham on a good mark and are not interested in winning throughout the season. I'm also a bit of a sucker for Novices in handicaps as I believe they can often be underestimated and hard to get an accurate mark by the handicapper (see Betfair Hurdle). I also look at horses with form over hurdles now running over fences off similar or lower marks. Some trainers are particularly good at using the new discipline to get a horse well handicapped over fences. The obvious course form is also something I like although not necessarily winning course form but running well at the course too.

    None of the above is particularly ground breaking, finding the right races, trainers and ultimately horses is where it gets tricky. I always roll up to the festival with a shortlist way before the entries and this is why I am guilty of ignoring trends if these shortlisted horses don't fit. It's part stubbornness and part trusting my instincts as there is nothing worse than having an unbacked winner that you ignored at the last minute. This year I have the following on my radar before the weights:

    Romain De Senam - Close Brothes Novice Handicap - chase rating versus Hurdle rating, course form, trainer routine. Nicholls has now come out at messed his price up by sending out a positive report in his stable tour.

    Presenting Percy - Pertemps Handicap Hurdle - same connections as last years winner, similar campaign, a Novice with good bumper form in defeat that has probably been underestimated.

    Starchitect - Grand Annual - trainer knows how to win handicaps, ran well in the County last year, running off a similar mark over fences.

    Tudor City - County Hurdle - ran second in the Coral Hurdle in Ireland which is usually one of the best trials, visually looked good that day and enjoys the large fields, good turn of foot and will have no issues with the hill to my eyes.

    There are plenty more I've either already backed or waiting on the weights.

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    Stable Fat Jockey (Moderator) Kevloaf's Avatar
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    Thanks JM. I'm sure I am not the only one who found that useful Really looking forward to the weights coming

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    Fat Jockey (ridden out claim) Brital's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    Thanks JM. I'm sure I am not the only one who found that useful Really looking forward to the weights coming
    Me too, cracking post Jackie. To go along with the daily yankees I propose a JM Handicaps Yankee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brital View Post
    Me too, cracking post Jackie. To go along with the daily yankees I propose a JM Handicaps Yankee.
    I second that concensus. and JM im a big fan of Presenting Percy too. Not getting much love from the preview nights though

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    Ivanovich Gorbatov still available at 20/1 Nrnb - I couldn't resist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
    Ivanovich Gorbatov still available at 20/1 Nrnb - I couldn't resist!
    Same here F_M. I managed to get 25's, but something is telling me he will end up in the Coral after the weights get released. Same as Renneti

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveracing View Post
    Same here F_M. I managed to get 25's, but something is telling me he will end up in the Coral after the weights get released. Same as Renneti
    Yes i would imagine with his mark he will be near top weight. 10/1 (NRNB) for County might be worth taking as well. one will be refunded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnymac05 View Post
    Yes i would imagine with his mark he will be near top weight. 10/1 (NRNB) for County might be worth taking as well. one will be refunded.
    I am on 25/1 nrnb JM

    Did you mean for Coral? 365 are still 20/1 nrnb for County

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