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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    I do like Put The Kettle On as I've already said...

    Just thinking though, if she lined up against Altior or Chacun Pour Soi and they weren't favourite I would be at max bet for either of them to beat her.

    Whilst she's nice value now relative to other horses in the market and taking into account their ages and fragility, she is no where near the level that either of those have shown yet is she?




    Lack of interesting angles for the race means I might end up getting carried away with her, when really I think she has a pretty big leap to make to reach Politilogue's level yet, let alone Altior's for example.



    Feet on the ground perhaps?
    Perhaps or perhaps not. Still say she is value bet at this time. For me massive question marks over both Chancun and Altior and indeed Defi after this year's debacle. A Plus Tard , her stablemate, unlikely to take her on in this IMO and Min, Allaho and Melon likely to stay at Ryanair distance or further. That leaves Fakir potentially and Douvan???? to beat. I say PTKO at 20/1 is not to be missed.

    Edit.....I left out the Champion Politolouge! An insult I suppose for this one to be 20/1 as reigning champion. Backed him this year small stakes at 33's so I should really back him again but just think it all went his way this year and that he won't get the same luck again next March.
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    If you're interested in PTKO then Fakir D'Oudairies has to be considered surely. You can grab 5pts bigger price than PTKO for 1 1/2 lengths, and I have my own feelings that they could have run that Arkle 10 times over and it would not surprise me one bit if Fakir won half of them. He has minor excuses, but 1 1/2 lengths is not a lot to make up at all. The pair were miles clear of anything else also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
    If you're interested in PTKO then Fakir D'Oudairies has to be considered surely. You can grab 5pts bigger price than PTKO for 1 1/2 lengths, and I have my own feelings that they could have run that Arkle 10 times over and it would not surprise me one bit if Fakir won half of them. He has minor excuses, but 1 1/2 lengths is not a lot to make up at all. The pair were miles clear of anything else also.
    Ive covered Fakir TWAR as he's just as likely IMO to go Ryanair and more likely to go that way than PTKO going Mares Chase. I backed him for the Arkle and immediately after the race thought that he'd have won without that mistake. However, I've watched the end of the race countless times since and each time I've come to the conclusion that PTKO was pulling away again at the finish which is why I am so keen on her for the CC. She has won over further than 2 miles which again is a massive tick for her in my book. I reckon Honeysuckle is getting jealous!

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    I would still consider Notebook at 33s. My gut feeling is that the yard feels he is better than PTKO and I'm willing to give him another chance. I know the start of the Arkle(lost a few lengths from the standing start so could not race prominantly) and the very soft ground would not have helped his chances but the Dublin Racing Festival where he bolted at the start and still won may have left a mark as Cash Back also ran poorly. I've read that Blackmore felt he was beaten 4 out and he certainly looked very tired jumping the last. I really don't think this was the real Notebook.

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    YH - Notebook lost his Arkle chance in the chute out to course, he overtook everything getting to the start and got further wound up by the false start, if they find a way to sort the horses mental issues out then they have a very real champion contender on their hand but rarely do highly strung horses calm down sufficiently.
    33/1 flyer I couldn’t talk you off but as I’ve said elsewhere with PTKO at 20/1 and Fakir Doudaries at 25/1 with far fewer questions to answer I make them much better value...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungHustler View Post
    I would still consider Notebook at 33s. My gut feeling is that the yard feels he is better than PTKO and I'm willing to give him another chance. I know the start of the Arkle(lost a few lengths from the standing start so could not race prominantly) and the very soft ground would not have helped his chances but the Dublin Racing Festival where he bolted at the start and still won may have left a mark as Cash Back also ran poorly. I've read that Blackmore felt he was beaten 4 out and he certainly looked very tired jumping the last. I really don't think this was the real Notebook.
    You'd want to see them work on his manner. Despite winning at the DRF he bolted and was keen. Was keen on way to post at Cheltenham and his record there now includes a 27L defeat on the back of a 51L defeat.

    33/1 does allow for that to an extent, but it'll always be a worry for a horse who has what you'd have to say is poor course form?




    For the most part, I do agree, that cannot have been his best effort... the problem for me, is Cheltenham may never be a place he can show his best effort.

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