Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 16
  1. #1
    Champion Fat Jockey (Moderator) Kevloaf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Nantwich, Cheshire
    Posts
    16,501

    Queen Mother Champion Chase 2021

    Market as of 22/05/2020


    Been some good chat about this already on the back of Istabraq's thread: http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showt...got-this-wrong


    I agree with him that Put The Kettle On and Fakir D'Oudaries are the most interesting bets in this market so far.


    With Altior, Chacun Pour Soi and Defi Du Seuil still all in the conversation, and the reigning champion available at 20/1, who do you fancy?

  2. #2
    Ante Post Tipping Comp - 2020 winner TigerRolllllll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    Wokingham
    Posts
    236
    Favs all look too short at the moment for me to get involved, so more interested in longer prices to build a book

    This time last year i took a nice long prices on Proltiologue and so have repeated again at 22s...he has been 2nd (almost beat Altior) and won this race.....so bound to be his main target, from a top stable and i don't think should be ignored. Price may not contract that much though, so only small stake so far

    Also done....Put The kettle On at 22s and Notebook at 40s.....latter prob unlikely, but won several G1s and i like the stable/jockey specially over fences....and Kev has tempted me into Fakir at 28s whilst still price available

    All my stakes at this stage pretty small and some using frees

  3. #3
    Champion Fat Jockey (Moderator) Kevloaf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Nantwich, Cheshire
    Posts
    16,501
    If you knew Defi Du Seuil would be giving this another crack, the 14/1 offered is a bit silly.

    Clearly has no problem with Cheltenham given his superb record there.... if he racks up a string of 2 mile Grade 1's again he'll be back to single figures no doubt.



    I think Hobbs said he'd have a very similar campaign too.... but I suppose they'll wait until the last minute to decide on where he'll run with the Ryanair more feasible this year than last.


    I suppose he's one that might be worth the 'to win the Tingle Creek and QMCC' if the price is right, with the thinking this year if he DOESN'T clean up in the 2 mile races in the season, he's incredibly unlikely to have the QMCC as his target.



    Given the nature of that set of circumstances being required though, that'll go on the back burner. Hopefully something north of 25/1.

  4. #4
    Ante Post Tipping Comp - 2020 winner TigerRolllllll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    Wokingham
    Posts
    236
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    If you knew Defi Du Seuil would be giving this another crack, the 14/1 offered is a bit silly.

    Clearly has no problem with Cheltenham given his superb record there.... if he racks up a string of 2 mile Grade 1's again he'll be back to single figures no doubt.



    I think Hobbs said he'd have a very similar campaign too.... but I suppose they'll wait until the last minute to decide on where he'll run with the Ryanair more feasible this year than last.


    I suppose he's one that might be worth the 'to win the Tingle Creek and QMCC' if the price is right, with the thinking this year if he DOESN'T clean up in the 2 mile races in the season, he's incredibly unlikely to have the QMCC as his target.



    Given the nature of that set of circumstances being required though, that'll go on the back burner. Hopefully something north of 25/1.

    Looked at Defi a lot.....was a big horse for me last year in all my horses to follow teams, etc.....and almost did it

    Reasons so far held off...

    - exchange price similar to best available
    - not sure if they might change race plan....not least as you can pick holes in the form a bit and i do think a fit Chacun prob better

    Just feels like a race with lot of unknowns and 14s or so still not that long in AP

    But you are right, if i knew he was def going 2m, i would jump at 14s

  5. #5
    Professional Fat Jockey Lobos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2019
    Posts
    1,885
    I think PTKO is a fabulous bet for this. Her owners are sure to target her at this race. No way should she be 20/1 as an Arkle winner, 2/2 at the course, unbeaten over 2miles over fences, proven on any ground, super jumper, trainer who knows how to win a Champion Chase and with question marks over those Infront of her in the betting. She's my biggest 'winner' by far at this stage.

  6. #6
    Sha Tin Expert BigChaang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    2,540
    Quote Originally Posted by Lobos View Post
    I think PTKO is a fabulous bet for this. Her owners are sure to target her at this race. No way should she be 20/1 as an Arkle winner, 2/2 at the course, unbeaten over 2miles over fences, proven on any ground, super jumper, trainer who knows how to win a Champion Chase and with question marks over those Infront of her in the betting. She's my biggest 'winner' by far at this stage.
    Well there is the possibility of P.T.K.O going to the Mares chase Lobos.
    as some have mentioned . But you would possibly think .
    after choosing the Arkle over the Handicap chase .
    The Owners will be brave and go champion chase .
    Definitely a nice price still , i think we'll all be watching keenly.
    when P.T.K.O next runs. In my book for the ch chs already..

  7. #7
    Professional Fat Jockey (Moderator) Istabraq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    5,062
    I will be shocked if the owners will even consider taking their ‘champion’ 2m G1 novice chaser to a G2 event...

  8. #8
    Professional Fat Jockey Saxon Warrior's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Posts
    1,870
    Quote Originally Posted by Istabraq View Post
    I will be shocked if the owners will even consider taking their ‘champion’ 2m G1 novice chaser to a G2 event...
    Absolutely, there's more chance that HdB takes Honeysuckle there, than PTKO.

  9. #9
    Professional Fat Jockey Lobos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2019
    Posts
    1,885
    Quote Originally Posted by Saxon Warrior View Post
    Absolutely, there's more chance that HdB takes Honeysuckle there, than PTKO.
    Agree. I'm all over Honey for the Mares Chase. There is a possibility that PTKO could go that route which is why I've split my stake between the CH at 20's and 14/1 TWAR. PTKO TWAR price is well worth a look as she is as low as 6/1 in a place to win the Mares Chase !

  10. #10
    Champion Fat Jockey (Moderator) Kevloaf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Nantwich, Cheshire
    Posts
    16,501
    I do like Put The Kettle On as I've already said...

    Just thinking though, if she lined up against Altior or Chacun Pour Soi and they weren't favourite I would be at max bet for either of them to beat her.

    Whilst she's nice value now relative to other horses in the market and taking into account their ages and fragility, she is no where near the level that either of those have shown yet is she?




    Lack of interesting angles for the race means I might end up getting carried away with her, when really I think she has a pretty big leap to make to reach Politilogue's level yet, let alone Altior's for example.



    Feet on the ground perhaps?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •