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    Champion Fat Jockey (Moderator) Kevloaf's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardheld View Post
    Really Love Abacadabras, I thought he was a hound, but looking back at Supreme he was the best horse in the race. As soon as he hit the front he idled from the home turn all the way to the last. Once Shishkin joined him, he surprised me how he picked up and battled up the run in. He has improved mentally and on better ground he will bag a few grade 1s next year. Massive player in the champion hurdle. Have backed him
    What price did you back him?

    As much as I like him, 8/1 now doesn't scream like it's a price I should be taking now.



    I know scooby is still a big fan of the horse too, for those who care.

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    The general concensus does seem to be that Envoi Allen is a superior horse to Goshen, which is what I'd anticipated. Unlikely we will see it, but my point was just highlighting that I think the hyperbole around Goshen is a little bit much given that he's not a superstar yet.


    ...and it's not even the superstar bit I guess, it's the 5/1 being priced as if he's already a Champion Hurdler effectively.






    I'd take 11/1 straight away though now.... I might end up backing Pinatubo or something just to trick myself into thinking I have some value.

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    Apprentice Fat Jockey (5lb claim) hardheld's Avatar
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    Hi Kev

    Backed him a 10s & 8s which I think is about right. I will back him again on es he’s declared for a race, price shouldn’t change much before November
    Last edited by hardheld; 22nd May 2020 at 01:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardheld View Post
    Hi Kev

    Backed him a 10s & 8s which I think is about right.
    I like Aba but I couldn’t have a single at those prices.
    I did however manage to grab the Sky special Shishkin (Arkle) Envoi Allen (any race) and Aba (Champ hurdle) at 200/1 so feel like I have a sort of cover...

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    Apprentice Fat Jockey (5lb claim) hardheld's Avatar
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    Great price. What was sky bet stake limit for 200/1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardheld View Post
    Great price. What was sky bet stake limit for 200/1.
    For me the max stakes on all these request a bets over 100/1 is 30, but they reset every week so managed to press before price went.
    100/1 now which may still be value given the ‘any race’ tag allocated to Envoi Allen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istabraq View Post
    I like Aba but I couldn’t have a single at those prices.
    I did however manage to grab the Sky special Shishkin (Arkle) Envoi Allen (any race) and Aba (Champ hurdle) at 200/1 so feel like I have a sort of cover...
    The treble (with Envoi - Marsh) is currently 246/1 with WH - which I may have a trixie on.

    I'm feeling reckless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevloaf View Post
    The treble (with Envoi - Marsh) is currently 246/1 with WH
    I'm feeling reckless.
    I’m sure you’ll have had worse bets Kev...

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    I like Aba and have him well covered just a shame his price has been clipped as much as it has. My concern would be that he does a Harchibald in 2005 when he lost to Hardy Eustace (currently on the FJ homepage).

    Agree with Hardheld by the way that he battled on well up the run in and another 10 yards or so I reckon he may well have got back up.

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    Marie’s rock is 66/1 with unibet, if anyone fancy’s her

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